Talk:Islamic State

Short description, Propose change from militant to terrorist

Short description ought to describe in short the organization. ISIS is considered a terrorist organization by a grand majority of nations. It is important I think to include this in the description. Homerethegreat (talk) 19:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Any response? Homerethegreat (talk) 09:23, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

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@Homerethegreat

Absolutely not. RotoBanana (talk) 11:27, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Homerethegreat

Isis is a terror organisation by all definitions, including Wikipedia's. RotoBanana (talk) 11:28, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

See WP:TERRORIST - Wikipedia does not call organizations terrorist. PhilKnight (talk) 11:31, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Value-laden labels – such as calling an organization a cult, an individual a racist, sexist, terrorist, or freedom fighter, or a sexual practice a perversion – may express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution. Avoid myth in its informal sense, and establish the scholarly context for any formal use of the term.

It does say this though. And since it's widely referred to as such, perhaps it ought to be referred to as such? Homerethegreat (talk) 11:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Homerethegreat It's not only referred to as such, but by all definitions it is. Including Wikipedia's own. If something needs an editing, it's Wikipedia's rules about writing "terror". Online encyclopedia must not publish misinformation. RotoBanana (talk) 14:01, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

In short, can we changed the short description so that it says terrorist instead of militiant? Homerethegreat (talk) 22:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

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@Homerethegreat @RotoBanana @PhilKnight No, don't label them terrorist. If you make an exception for the worst of the worst, it will end up causing problems with people trying to apply the term "terrorist" to more controversial groups. Stick to just saying that they are a "designated terror org" by everyone and enemy of everyone. BottleOfSoup (talk) 20:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC) edited BottleOfSoup (talk) 11:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

ISIS vs ISIL

It is probably of note that only the White House referred to ISIS as ISIL to start with, and after many years only few media outlets began using ISIL. It was a means of knowing the level of bias of the story, a dog whistle if you would, whether it was straight from the White House typewriter or not. It's sort of how now they're doing the same with Kiev to Kyiv. You know when you see 'Kyiv' it's going to be a very particular political piece, where when you see Kiev it could be just about anything.

In a few hundred years no one will know who they are, but in the short term there's probably a lot of people who don't know that no one besides CNN, MSNBC and Obama ever uttered the word 'ISIL' for quite a few years. And the obsessive pushing of this weird dog whistle (especially odd given ISIS themselves never used ISIL) just seemed absurd and weird because back then it wasn't normal for people to randomly redefine words or meddle with language to control information. 2001:8003:2956:4300:5848:7501:95E2:4A48 (talk) 06:43, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

They actually never used Isis. In Arabic the group was called "Ad-dawlah al-Islamiyyah fil-Iraq wash-Sham”

See? No mention of Syria because in the group unique terminology,they refer to Syria as ash-Sham. Now this name is used by many to encompass the countries of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine. One English equivalent of it is the term Levant. Now, IS have abandoned this name since 2014, and refer to themselves as only IS or as "the Caliphate" 188.161.10.191 (talk) 19:34, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

So people referring to the ISK attack on Moscow as ISIL is a spectacular dog whistle?

But it sounds like for the previous entity Levant was a much closer translation?

Did they ever have their own abbreviation?

BottleOfSoup (talk) 07:24, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Levant would be a faulty translation. Use "Iraq and Syria" and "Syria". Probably the safest translation is "Syria". The most common is probably "Iraq and Syria". If you want to be special, "greater Syria".

One organization widely seen as having created IS, Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, used "Land of the Two Rivers" and "Mesopotamia" often.

"Bilad Al Sham" meaning Syria (as in the region, not the country) is sometimes translated as Levant, and media even reports that "ISIL" used this name (by quoting as if verbatim!) but they didn't! They called themselves Dawla islamiyyah fi al Iraq wa al-Sham. This should be translated as "Islamic state in Iraq and Syria" or "Islamic state in Bilad al sham".

The other term which Al qaeda certainly used but I'm not sure if Dawla did is "Bilad al-Rafidayn", aka Iraq/Mesopotamia.

In general, "Levant" is an awkward term.

And all this has absolutely zero to do with "Khorasan", or IS-K, and if people are still using the term ISIL on the news, I don't know what sort of style guide they use. Freyheytlid (talk) 23:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Why ISIS never attack Israel and don't have Islamic ideology of helping Palestinians. ISIS also was fund by USA never mentioned here. 175.142.66.251 (talk) 17:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Remove Artsakh from the opponents list.

It no longer exists since January 1st, 2024, so why keep it in here? Poetic450 (talk) 10:50, MARCH MY MESSAGE TO you DED islamic usa you MOST PARPAR FOR MY WAR TO CITY &CITY YOU ARE IN USA YOU MOST BELIVE 77% OF YOU IWILL KILL IN USA BY ATOMC NUCLAER EXPLOING PARPAR FOR MY ATTACK ONE THNGS IPRMISE YOU you & your family IS DED IN USA 2024 24.86.145.245 (talk) 04:16, 23 March 2024

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2024

just do some changes Sfax 2 (talk) 23:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

France Province

There is a new province called the France Province, they released a video at 3 AM European Time.

video they released

https://go.screenpal.com/watch/cZ1hQCVNbPI

their logo

https://ibb.co/BBX9Kfv

BenimXD (talk) 09:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)