Talk:WWE Tag Team Championship

Tournament Bracket?

Why is 'WWE' omitted from this page? :( PeterMan844 (talk) 00:37, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Because, thus far, they have refered to it without the "WWE" on the name. oknazevad (talk) 00:45, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but it's a WWE title.PeterMan844 (talk) 01:42, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Name

Why the name of the article is SmackDown Tag Team Championship when is supposed to be WWE SmackDown Tag Team Championship? Seriesphile (talk · ctb) 01:11, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

A mod moved it. It was correct the first time. <_< PeterMan844 (talk) 01:41, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Tournament Bracket?

To avoid the constant addition of random results that are sitting on the page now, should we add a bracket? I have one already queued up here if someone just wants to copy and paste that. JTP ^(talk) 01:21, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I think we should wait for the whole first round to be completed before adding the bracket. The rest of the page can use some work, however. retched (talk) 01:26, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

We're not all PC geeks. I for example don't know about tables and all that at all.PeterMan844 (talk) 01:41, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Why are we moving it again?

This moving has to stop it's been moved 3 times now. Is there even a consensus for any of the moves? Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 02:12, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

No idea.PeterMan844 (talk) 07:48, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 2 September 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. No consensus, and is inline with the other discussions about this. (Should have been one multi-move anyway.) oknazevad (talk) 16:47, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

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WWE SmackDown Tag Team Championship → SmackDown Tag Team Championship – see below Mclovin'tosh (talk) 17:13, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Can we move the page to simply SmackDown Tag Team Championship? Besides, they only have referred to it without the "WWE" on the name. I understand that it's a WWE title, but some titles just don't officially bear the WWE initials on it just like World Tag Team Championship and World Heavyweight Championship. I believe the official name for the title is only "SmackDown Tag Team Championship". We need to have a consensus first before moving it though, so any thoughts? User:Mclovin'tosh (talk) 10:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

It's already been moved 4 times without a consensus. So yeah there definitely needs to be one this time. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 11:12, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Yep, I've noticed it as well. A discussion should be done first before moving. Anyway, my point for the proposed move though is that "WWE" initials are not included on its official name. Another example is the NXT Tag Team Championship. Well NXT is obviously a part of WWE but it was never called the "WWE NXT Tag Team Championship". I hope this would be taken into consideration. User:Mclovin'tosh (talk) 14:28, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Support This falls under the same thing as the WHT. Also The Smackdown Women's Title has the same issue as well. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 14:45, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Support As per WarMachineWildThing. The official name of the belts are the Smackdown Tag Team Championships. Not the WWE Smackdown Tag Team Championships. They don't have the WWE name because the championships aren't of the whole entire brand. The titles are Smackdown's while Monday Night RAW has the World Tag Team Championships. I wouldn't be surprised if they re-name those to RAW Tag Team Champions... but until they do, the Smackdown Tag Titles are just that. retched (talk) 15:43, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Comment: Raw doesn't have the World Tag Team Championship. That was retired in 2010. Raw has the WWE Tag Team Championship. --JDC808 ♫ 20:32, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Weak Support We had a talk about this last night on my talk page, you can see that at User talk:LM2000#Tag Titles bring insanity. Given that this is a new championship and we don't have much information to go on, the little bit we have seen so far leads me to believe WWE is not part of its title. If we're wrong we can always fix it, a wise editor did once say there is WP:NORUSH.LM2000 (talk) 00:10, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I'd like to point out according to [this] poll on WWE.com it's Smackdown Tag Team Champions and Smackdown Women's Champion.Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 13:12, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Strong Support It's pretty obvious that it's only being referred to as the "SmackDown Tag Team Championship". ChrisWarMachine's link (the poll) is already a strong evidence for this. The article names for the WWE Intercontinental Championship and the WWE United States Championship are a different thing. They are WP:RECOGNIZABLE, whereas on this case in my opinion, WP:NATDAB applies on both SmackDown Tag Team Championship and SmackDown Women's Championship. User:TrueLicense909 (talk) 13:15, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

OPPOSE Although that poll left out "WWE", this does not. In regards to NXT championships, that's to differentiate that they aren't main show/roster championships. --JDC808 ♫ 20:30, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment Yet this article on WWE.com removed the WWE to just Smackdown Tag Team Championship, I don't think they even know the name at this point. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 21:08, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment I believe this link only has the "WWE" initials on it, other than that, well I can't find one. Most of the WWE.com articles only refer to it as the SmackDown Tag Team Championship. Just sayin. DroneDrop (talk) 15:23, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment When you say "Most of the WWE.com articles only refer to it ..." you admit that some articles do use the initials and hence prove the the name without the initials is not the official name. Using a shortened form of the official name in articles is credible, but using an elongated form is not. Str1977 ^(talk) 19:13, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Support The title is referred to without the "WWE" during programming. Speedy Question Mark (talk) 21:00, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Support per above. JTP ^(talk) 19:40, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment A similar move discussion is going on at Talk:WWE SmackDown Women's Championship.LM2000 (talk) 20:00, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Support Look at the superstars page on wwe.com. You will see that the Raw tag and women's titles are called "Raw Tag Team Championship" and "Raw Women's Championship". It is safe to assume, based on how it is mentioned on television and from the names of the Raw titles, that WWE will not be included in the name. Rtxc (talk) 21:24, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment: WWE.com also leaves off "WWE" from the United States and Intercontinental championships. Are you suggesting that we should also remove "WWE" from those articles' titles? --JDC808 ♫ 05:20, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment I believe there's no need to change article titles with regard to the WWE IC and WWE US Championships since those two are established titles unlike these new ones. Take for example, the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. The website officially refer to it simply as "WCW World Championship", yet the wiki article title retains its original name which is the "WCW World Heavyweight Championship". This applies to WWE Hardcore Championship and WWE European Championship as well. WWE.com leaves the "WWE" on both titles, but it is safe to add the initials since they were established titles already. Well that's only my opinion though. User:Mclovin'tosh (talk) 08:33, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Strong oppose. The article should the official full name. What some announcers says on a show is totally irrelevant. Next, we'll be moving the article to "Smackdown Tag Titles" five minutes after JBL messes up. Str1977 ^(talk) 17:28, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment But "WWE" isn't in the official name. Speedy Question Mark (talk) 20:37, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment But it is part of the official name just as it is part of every title in WWE (the only ones which didn't have WWE in the name were the ill-named "World Heavyweight Championship" and the "World Tag Team Championship". Just because you go around moving pages on a whim beause a list on WWE.com has left WWE out (for less than a day) doesn't make this the official name. We should seriously insist on more solid sourcing in these matters. Str1977 ^(talk) 20:07, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment Sir, this is your opinion, not a matter of fact. Wikipedia goes off of fact alone, and if we decided to start using opinions for wrestling articles we'd use someone respected in the wrestling community, not a random Wikipedia editor. Weweremarshall (talk) 20:36, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Strong Support: It's about time we start referring to these titles by their official names, as recognized by WWE. Referring to titles by names determined by a random group of editors with no affiliation with WWE makes little to no sense, and strongly decreases the legitimacy/prestige/verifiability of all Wikipedia articles that may be related to Pro Wrestling. Weweremarshall (talk) 20:35, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Oppose, it's fine the way it is. You don't need to drop the WWE from it. It's still WWE SmackDown. ^{(talk page stalker)} CrashUnderride 04:56, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Oppose After thinking about this WWE should be in the Articles title, I can no longer support the move. I have struck my previous support. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 05:09, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment, after Raw changed the WWE Tag Team Championship to "Raw Tag Team Championship", I am also thinking about opposing the move. I am about to convince myself that it's probably just fine the way it is for now. User:Mclovin'tosh (talk) 14:26, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Plus, the replicas sold on the WWE website are called the article's current title. http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/raw-womens-championship

PeterMan844 (talk) 13:38, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Oppose Almost all of the titles on WWE's title history page have the WWE absent (except for World and Universal), even though it is generally accepted that almost all of them have/had WWE in the title unless they were NXT/ECW/WCW (which would be confusing to have two acronyms) and the former World Heavyweight and World Tag Team Championships (to distinguish them from the WWE and WWE Tag Team Championships, respectively). There's no reason to leave off 'WWE' from other championships such as Intercontinental, United States, European, Cruiserweight, etc.

The replica page on WWE's website reflects the title with 'WWE' in it: https://shop.wwe.com/wwe-smackdown-tag-team-championship-replica-title/T8002.html?dwvar_T8002_color=No%20Color

World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion (talk) 03:38, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

• Comment I struck my support vote. I'm not sure whether "WWE" is part of its name or not but other moves have already been closed as "not moved" and this one is a closer vote than the others. In the very least, all of these championship articles should have consistent article names.LM2000 (talk)

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References

Tournament Brackets

I undid revision due someone messing with the names on the tournament brackets constantly so i undid it.

Someone gotta lock it - Because someone keep adding the name on the bracket (messing with it)

And here it goes again.

Can you please sign your comments with the four tilde's (~) so we know who is responsible for the comments? And also the names on the brackets are fine as the Headbangers are infact taking on the team of Rhyno and Heath Slater on the 30 August 2016 edition. retched (talk) 01:34, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2016

Slater and Rhyno hold the title 7 + days not 340 or 58 days.

27.2.128.236 (talk) 13:45, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:14, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Not Done That is their age not title reign. Rhyno (40 years, 340 days) Heath Slater (33 years, 58 days) Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 05:40, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2016

Can you please add in 'disambiguation' to the hatnote? As in WWE Tag Team Championship per WP:INTDABLINK. Thanks

206.45.9.182 (talk) 13:53, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Already done — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:16, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

The Wyatt Family

Are all three men not recognized as SmackDown Tag Team Champions yet? I added it in, but got reverted.PeterMan844 (talk) 17:19, 5 December 2016 (UTC) I reverted it, but I guess they will eventually have Luke Harper recognized.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 19:52, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

The Usos combined reign

Their combined reign is 329 days, not 330. Fix it. Combined days as per WWE are right - 331. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.36.57.234 (talk) 22:10, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

You are correct based on the numbers above, but there perhaps could have been a nicer way to phrase your post, no? - Galatz^Talk 22:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

As of dates

@Galatz: Thanks for responding so quickly to my edit.

I feel that it isn't good practice to use "As of {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}" which always displays the day the reader is viewing the article. This makes the article appear perpetually up-to-date. The fact that you responded very quickly tells me that you're keeping a close eye on the article, but you can't guarantee that you'll be able to continue checking sources and keeping it updated on a daily basis in the future. Technically, I think this fails verifiability unless you provide a new source confirming the information every day, and reliable secondary sources tend not to report the status quo. I feel that it's a much better practise to use {{As of}} with the date of the most-recent source which verifies the information (or alternatively with the first source which establishes the information, if that makes more sense in context).

For example, in the lead of 2010–2017 Toronto serial homicides I used {{as of}} with the date the accused was charged with eight counts of murder. That way, even if charges are added or dropped, the statement is still accurate as of that date. This is especially important with a BLP matter like criminal allegations, but it also applies to other subjects.

There is more information at Wikipedia:As of. Please give this a think. In the meantime I'll restore the non-contested portions of my edit (mostly apostrophes and hyphens). – Reidgreg (talk) 16:22, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: This current format is used pretty consistently across professional wrestling championships and involves a lot more than just this page. I understand your points and agree with it mostly, and have used the as of template on many occasions on TV related articles (such as episode count). I suggest attempting to get a broader consensus as this is a change to many articles. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 16:34, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

@Galatz: Ah! I saw there were about 400 articles using it this way but didn't realize so many were about wrestling. There are also a few on boxing. But I feel the only ones that can use it safely are the articles on Wikipedias where the information the as-of refers to is also generated through magic words and templates, so is always updated. I've posted something at Wikipedia talk:As of and hopefully it will generate a little discussion. I'm not in any rush to change things. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Kofi also credited as champion

Yes, Kofi counts as a champion as verified by WWE.com.

I know other sources (all from WWE.com) didn't mention him, but nowhere has WWE.com flat out and clearly said he WASN'T a champion.

We all assumed he wasn't because he wasn't mentioned explicitly (at first) but WWE then put out the video which (clearly and with no ambiguity) said he was.

Unless WWE clearly says Kofi ISN'T a champion, then don't assume anything - especially when clear evidence can be pointed to saying he is.

Thank You.

Vjmlhds (talk) 23:01, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Let's keep this in one place. --JDC808 ♫ 03:46, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

I came up with a compromise, acknowledging the ambiguity without either giving Kofi full credit or disregarding him completely. World ain't always black and white - sometimes there's some grey. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:48, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

The change I made was only meant for cosmetic purposes - I'm still reflecting the ambiguity, but in a (hopefully) nicer and neater fashion. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:08, 4 August 2019 (UTC)