Talk:Volkswagen emissions scandal

Compensate the buyers of these trafficked cars?

Hello,

I do not understand why it is necessary to compensate the buyers of these cars with falsified pollution data.

Indeed, the consumer has not lost and will not lose a penny! He pays the same tax and insurance corresponding to the original documents before and after the scandal!

If there is pollution, it doesn't cost him a penny!

Something escapes me. Or is it the fashion that everyone wants to be compensated morally?

Thank you for explaining to me where there is loss for the consumer.

--AXRL (talk) 14:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

The perceived value of VW cars dropped. Which means the resale value also dropped. So if a somebody bought a VW car in 2013 for say $20,000 and expected to sell it 3 years later for say $12,000 but if the resale value after the scandal dropped to $3000, then the person has effectively lost $9,000. The VW owner bought the car in good faith but the actions of VW have caused him to lose $9,000.  Stepho  talk  22:45, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Did CARB commission the initial study or did the ICCT?

The Introduction paragraph states that "In 2014, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) commissioned from the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) a study on emissions discrepancies between European and US models of vehicles, summing up the data on 15 vehicles from three sources."

It is stated later under European Discrepancies that "The independent body International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) commissioned a study in 2014 and obtained data on 15 vehicles from three sources."

This is ambiguous and the introduction paragraph is possibly incorrect. The CARB Wikipedia page has no mention of the organization commissioning the study, and other sources say that the issue was raised to them after the ICCT study was conducted. This article from the ICCT website also does not mention CARB's involvement in the initial study, only that the action taken by CARB and the EPA was a result of the study.

I propose the introductory paragraph be revised to remove CARB's involvement in the initial study, unless supporting sources can be produced. It's noted that CARB was involved in serving the notice alongside the EPA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.9.187.46 (talk) 22:01, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Expert tag removed

After deliberating, I chose to remove the expert tag from the Health consequences section because the rationale at Talk:Volkswagen_emissions_scandal/Archive_2#Emissions_expert_needed concerns mostly content that is not directly relevant to the article. Information about "what was unique about VW TDI diesel technology" belong elsewhere in the article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:44, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

not only VW

Dieselgate encompasses multiple car manufacturers, not only VW, as the corresponding German WP Abgasskandal shows, but Audi, Skoda and Mercedes. Wuerzele (talk) 01:30, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Correct. It is mentioned in the article in section Volkswagen emissions scandal#Other manufacturers, which links to Diesel emissions scandal.  Stepho  talk  02:32, 6 August 2023 (UTC)