Talk:USS Richard B. Anderson

Copyvio??

I speedy deleted this as a copyvio from http://www.vietnamproject.ttu.edu/dd786/ship's.htm which is clearly marked ©Copyright 2005 The Vietnam Center, Texas Tech University | All Rights Reserved[1] - however, it was restored with the note "No, it's copied from the public-domain DANFS, with a couple of snippets from ttu.edu".

Below are some examples of the snippets; extracts and the phrasing on the copywritten page:

USS Richard B. Anderson (DD-786)	vietnamproject.ttu.edu
After shakedown, Richard B. Anderson, homeported at San Diego, Calif., served as plane-guard for Essex-class carriers operating off southern California. Immobilized by a shortage of personnel in the fall of 1946, she was fully active by January 1947 and in February she participated in fleet exercises off Hawaii. Search and rescue (SAR) operations, local exercises off California and an overhaul took up the remainder of 1947 and early 1948.	After shakedown, Richard B. Anderson, homeported at San Diego, Calif., served as plane guard for Essex-class carriers operating off southern California. Immobilized by a shortage of personnel in the fall of 1946, she was fully active by January 1947 and in February she participated in fleet exercises off Hawaii. Search and rescue (SAR) operations, local exercises off California and an overhaul took up the remainder of 1947 and early 1948.
Richard B. Anderson returned to the United States in June. Hostilities broke out in Korea soon thereafter and on 19 February 1951 she sailed west again with Destroyer Division 12 (DesDiv 12). On 12 March, she arrived at Sasebo, Japan, and 2 days later joined Task Force 77 (TF 77) off the east coast of the embattled peninsula. Into April she served as escort and plane guard for the aircraft carriers launching strikes against North Korean and Chinese forces, power sources and supply, industrial, and transport centers. At Yokosuka in mid April, she was back off Korea for an amphibious feint against the mining and transport center of Tanchon at the end of the month. In May, she conducted ASW exercises off Japan and Okinawa, and in June, she operated as a unit of the Taiwan Strait Patrol. During July she conducted hunter-killer (HUK) exercises; then, in August, she resumed operations with TF 77 and spent the last weeks of her deployment off Korea.	Richard B. Anderson returned to the United Slates in June. Hostilities broke out in Korea soon thereafter and on 19 February 1951 she sailed west again with Destroyer Division 12 (DesDiv 12). On 12 March, she arrived at Sasebo, Japan, and 2 days later joined Task Force-77 (TF 77) off the east coast of the embattled peninsula. Into April she served as escort and plane guard for the aircraft carriers launching. strikes against North Korean and Chinese forces, power sources and supply, industrial, and transport centers. At Yokosuka in mid-April, she was back off Korea for an amphibious feint against the mining and transport center of Tach'on at the end of the month. In May, she conducted ASW exercises off Japan and Okinawa, and, in June, she operated as a unit of the Taiwan Strait Patrol. During July she conducted hunter-killer (HUK) exercises, then in August she resumed operations with TF 77 and spent the last weeks of her deployment off Korea.
The destroyer arrived at San Diego on 30 September. Seven months later she headed back across the Pacific, again stopping in Hawaii. On 12 June 1952 she rejoined TF 77 and, with an interruption for a railway interdiction mission on the 25th, remained with the carriers into July. On 9 July she returned to Japan; conducted ASW exercises south of there until the 31st; then steamed for Keelung and another tour of patrol duty in the Taiwan Strait. On 21 August she was back off Korea, as a unit of TF 95, the U.N. Blockade and Escort Force. On the 23d she shifted from Wonsan to Songjin and on the 27th she rejoined TF 77. Detached on the 30th, she participated in support operations along the bombline until the 2d, then, on the 3d, headed back to Yokosuka. At midmonth she moved to Hakodate, Hokkaido, for HUK operations and at the end of the month she rejoined TF 77. With two interruptions for harassment and interdiction missions, she remained with TF 77 until the 18th, then joined TF 70 for operations south of Japan. In November, she resumed operations with the carriers of TF 77.	The destroyer arrived at San Diego on 30 September. Seven months later she headed back across the Pacific, again stopping in Hawaii. On 12 June 1952 she rejoined TF 77 and, with an interruption for a railway interdiction mission on the 25th, remained with the carriers into July. On 9 July she returned to Japan; conducted ASW exercises south of there until the 3lst; then steamed for Keelung and another tour. of patrol duty in the Taiwan Straits. On 21 August she was back off Korea, as a unit of TF 95, the U.S. Blockade and Escort Force. On the 23rd she shifted from Wonson to Sonjin and on the 27th she rejoined TF 77. Detached on the 30th, she participated in support operations along the bombline until the 2nd, then, on the 3rd, headed back to Yokosuka. At mid-month she moved to Hakodate, Hokkaido, for HUK operations and at the end of the month she rejoined TF 77. With two interruptions for harassment and interdiction missions, she remained with TF 77 until the 18th, then joined TF 70 for operations south of Japan. In November, she resumed operations with the carriers of TF 77.
On 24 November 1952, Richard B. Anderson departed Korea for Yokosuka. SAR duty followed and on the 6th of December she headed for Guam and the United States. In January 1953, Anderson had the privilege of being as co-star to Humphrey Bogart and Fred McMurray selected for a cameo appearance in The Caine Mutiny. At the end of the movie, she steams out of San Francisco as Willie Keith’s new ship.	On 24 November, RICHARD B. ANDERSON departed Korea for Yokosuka. SAR duty followed and on the 6th of December she headed for Guam and The United States. In January of 1953, Anderson had the privilege of being selected as co-star to Humphrey Bogart and Fred McMurray selected for a cameo in the Caine Mutiny. At the end of the movie, she steams out of San Francisco as Willie Keith’s new ship.
Arriving at San Diego on 1 February 1965, Richard B. Anderson, resumed duties with the 1st Fleet. For the rest of 1965, she remained in the eastern Pacific—conducting training exercises, including a midshipmen cruise; serving as electronics schoolship; and participating in division and fleet exercises. On 7 January 1966, she headed west again. In early February she joined TG 77.5 off the coast of South Vietnam. Detached briefly for surveillance duty, she remained with TG 77.5 until the 11th, then took up picket station duty south of Hainan Island. On the 17th of January 1966, she headed for Japan and on 3 March she returned to the Philippines. At midmonth she was back off Vietnam for gunfire support duty near Hue. In early April she briefly visited Hong Kong, then resumed operations in Tonkin Gulf. At the end of the month she underwent availability at Kaohsiung and on her return to Vietnam alternated between plane-guard duty with Intrepid (CVS-11) and shore bombardment missions in the Mekong Delta. On 15 June she steamed north for a last visit to Japan prior to returning to the United States.	Arriving at San Diego on 1 February 1965, Richard B. Anderson, resumed duties with the lst Fleet. For the rest of 1965, she remained in the eastern Pacific conducting training exercises, including a midshipmen cruise; serving as electronics schoolship; and participating in division and fleet exercises. On 7 January 1966, she headed west again. In early February she joined TG 77.5 off the coast of South Vietnam. Detached briefly for surveillance duty, she remained with TG 77.5 until the 11th, then took up picket station duty south of Hainan Island. On the 17th of January 1966, she headed for Japan and on 3 March returned to the Philippines. At midmonth she was back off Vietnam for gunfire support duty near Hue. In early April 1965 she briefly visited Hong Kong, then resumed operations in Tonkin Gulf. At the end of March she had an upkeep period at Kaohsiung, Formosa. On her return to Vietnam Anderson alternated between screening duty with Intrepid (CVS-11) and shore bombardment missions in the Mekong Delta. On 15 June 1965 she steamed north for a visit to Japan prior to returning to the United States.

Look forward to your thoughts - Glen 07:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Seems pretty clear to me. What's with the striking-out? —Phil | Talk 15:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

What was the question?

Seems very clear that text is essentially identical. If the source is indeed copyrighted, seems open and shut to me, well within your discretion to act on without further need for support. ++Lar: t/c 15:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

DANFS

The real source is at DANFS. Do not delete this.

USS Richard B. Anderson (DD-786)

http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/r6/richard_b_anderson.htm

After shakedown, Richard B. Anderson, homeported at San Diego, Calif., served as plane-guard for Essex-class carriers operating off southern California. Immobilized by a shortage of personnel in the fall of 1946, she was fully active by January 1947 and in February she participated in fleet exercises off Hawaii. Search and rescue (SAR) operations, local exercises off California and an overhaul took up the remainder of 1947 and early 1948.

After shakedown, Richard B. Anderson, homeported at San Diego, served as plane-guard for Essex-class carriers operating off southern California. Immobilized by a shortage of personnel in the fall of 1946, she was fully active by January 1947 and in February she participated in fleet exercises off Hawaii. Search and rescue operations, local exercises off California and an overhaul took up the remainder of 1947 and early 1948.

Jinian 16:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

As Jinian has explained—and I explained—the primary source for the text of this article is the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/r6/richard_b_anderson.htm Obviously, whoever did the ttu.edu page did the same thing I did: took the DANFS text and added some embellishments. Based on that page I added

• First captain's name: Hugh H. Murray<!-- or Hugh Q. Murray -- ref:vietnamproject.ttu.edu -->
• Among the Anderson's first crew members was Motor Machinists Mate Robert L. Anderson (Richard's brother).
• In January 1953, Anderson was selected for a cameo appearance in The Caine Mutiny. At the end of the movie, she steams out of San Francisco as Willie Keith’s new ship.
• "Swordfish" was the open-ocean, live-firing test of a Nuclear Anti-Submarine Rocket (ASROC) weapon.
• ROCS Kai Yang (DDG-924) [The detail I was checking when I found the ttu page. DANFS just says "(No. 924)".]
• She was awarded the Secretary of the Navy's Meritorious Unit Commendation three times, in addition to the Humanitarian Service Medal, and her personnel earned the Combat Action Ribbon five times.

The only reason I put the link to the ttu.edu page at the top of my block of external links is that, being longer, I thought it looked better that way. Jeez! —wwoods 18:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, let's get this sorted then. Someone ought to take the copyvio off again (I can I guess since I placed it) and let's get the attribution corrected. Long term, though, WP prefers not to lift text verbatim, even if it's good text. So this article ought to be rewritten at some point. ++Lar: t/c 19:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I see that the copyvio tagging has been reverted, but to prevent someone else inadvertantly thinking it is, let's get the references changed to point to http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/r6/richard_b_anderson.htm instead, ok? ++Lar: t/c 01:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I've reordered the external links. —wwoods 16:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Still have doubts

How can we be certain about this? After all, the copywritten pages existed a full year before the other according to archive.org - why cant it just be rewritten to save risk at all? - Glen 08:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

We're certain because DANFS was published by the United States Navy in the 1960s, 1970s and completed in 1981. According to the Naval Historical Center web site:

The first volume, covering ships starting with the letters A-B, was published in 1959. The first edition of the series completed in 1981 with the publication of Volume VIII (letters W-Z).

This is a valid use of public domain material. Although you are welcome to rewrite it if you'd like. Jinian 13:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

And the original version of DANFS is available at hazegray.org, ending, "As of January 1974, Richard B. Anderson is still operating out of Yokosuka..."

As you can see on, e.g., List of United States Navy ships, R, there are a lot of ships which have no article at all yet. Time spent rewriting articles can't be spent adding new ones.

—wwoods 16:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Crew sabatoge during Viet Nam

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