Talk:Typhoon Yagi

Casualties

Hi @Borgenland, I noticed that you reverted my recent edit regarding the casualties of Typhoon Yagi. I wanted to clarify the source I used and the discrepancy in the figures. The figure I cited was from a respected Vietnamese newspaper, which was based on official data from the Vietnam Disaster and Dyke Management Authority. This is the most reliable and direct source for this information. I understand that you used a foreign source that lists a higher death toll, but as a native Vietnamese speaker, I can confirm that this foreign source likely includes both the dead and missing in their number, due to a mistranslation or misunderstanding of the original Vietnamese reports. Since foreign media often cite Vietnamese state media for such figures, I believe that using the official data directly from a reputable Vietnamese source would be more accurate and avoid any confusion. The latest figure I found is 49 people killed and 22 missing, for a total of 71 people, as reported by the official Online Newspaper of the Communist Party of Vietnam. This figure is also cited by reputable international sources, including The New York Times and The Guardian. Ltn12345 (talk) 15:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

The latest sourced figures I have is at 64. But I think it would be best if other editors could weigh in. The main reason I had for reverting was that there were contradictory numbers of overall dead in the same section. Borgenland (talk) 15:22, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry

I didn't mean to wreck some parts of the article, I didn't even know I did all that, the only parts I edited was the Vietnam impact section and the typhoon table, it might be a glitch but i apologize for the mess. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 06:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

No prob. Restored your revisions also. Borgenland (talk) 06:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Update Dead in Viet Nam

Hi Hurrican Edgar, You can see on this site and update them because in here 6 hours to update once. Thank. Nguyễn Quốc Anh (1248) (talk) 09:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

More Haikou photos

I have lots more. But they just show damage. Would this be useful? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:03, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Go for it. Any will be valuable. Bremps... 03:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Okay. I will select the best ones I have. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Casualties in Vietnam

The number of 145 missing is probably outdated, Newer sources stated 199 deaths and 128 missing, It's more than likely that some of the missing people were found dead, And also, the 4 deaths before landfall are also probably included in the death toll of 199 in the newer sources, So should I change it?. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 09:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

No objections on my part. Borgenland (talk) 09:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Potential redevelopment over the Bay of Bengal

Just a question, as the remnants of Yagi are being tracked by the IMD, if they regenerate into a cyclonic storm, should Yagi be moved? OhHaiMark (talk) 20:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

No, if the storm is not the same system, it should not be moved. This is similar to Tropical Storm Alex (2022) and Hurricane Agatha. HurricaneEdgar 21:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Maybe Typhoon Yagi and BOB 05? Just a random Wikipedian^(talk) 16:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Not really. It's more like Tropical storms Amanda and Cristobal. Maybe it should be named Typhoon Yagi and Cyclone BOB 05? OhHaiMark (talk) 16:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I think the title of the article should remain, as it reflects a situation similar to that in the Atlantic, where remnants re-emerge and intensify, like what happened with Hurricane Grace. HurricaneEdgar 19:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Not really, in Marty's article, it originated from "a new surface center separate from Grace's previous one", meaning that Grace never regenerated into a tropical cyclone, only contributing to Marty's formation. Conversely, Amanda's remnants directly regenerated into Cristobal. OhHaiMark (talk) 19:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Rather than using the alternative name, we should use 'Typhoon Yagi,' which has received more media attention. Also, instead of moving directly into the article, we should mention this in the lead. HurricaneEdgar 19:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, media attention doesn't mean much for titles and at most, only a sentence or two should be dedicated for this in the lede. OhHaiMark (talk) 19:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTNEWS as the media does not dictate how Wikipedia works. Because BOB 05 is ex-Yagi, the page title should reflect this. This has been done with other examples such as 2013’s Tropical Depressions Wilma and BOB 05, 2020’s Tropical storms Amanda and Cristobal, 2019’s Cyclone Matmo–Bulbul, 2016’s Cyclones Vardah and ARB 02, and so forth. So this should be moved and the infobox and lead have been adjusted accordingly. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 19:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I’ve gone ahead and BOLDly moved it per WP:PRECISE to make the distinction. The best case of this is Vardah which was moved under the same pretenses. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 19:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTNEWS does not state that the article title needs to be determined, and my position still stands. The same argument applies to whoever reverted the move. HurricaneEdgar 22:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I would like to see a source that says that the remnants of Yagi made it into the NIO from the JTWC or the IMD and not a news article.Jason Rees (talk) 22:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

"Deep Depression BOB 05"?

@HurricaneEdgar: The source [1] does not contain the full phrase "Deep Depression BOB 05". It only contains "deep depression". Googling "Deep Depression BOB 05" only results in Wikipedia mirrors and 2020/2023/etc. years instead of 2024.

No reliable sources use the name "Deep Depression BOB 05", and we should not invent our own name per WP:COMMONNAME or WP:NOR. 174.89.12.36 (talk) 09:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

The same practice that we used in the past season when a storm forms is still in place. There are two main seas in the North Indian Ocean: the Arabian Sea to the west of the Indian subcontinent, abbreviated as ARB by the India Meteorological Department (IMD), and the Bay of Bengal to the east, abbreviated as BOB by the IMD. Each of these two main seas is assigned a numerical designation, which you can see at the top of the IMD bulletin. HurricaneEdgar 10:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Re-add impact from Bangladesh and India?

Shortly before I posted this, the casualties and impact of Yagi in Bangladesh has been removed. I understand why considering the storm technically dissipated over Yunnan with the remnants causing chaos in Myanmar and Thailand, but considering that some sources said that the remnants of Yagi regained strength and became a cycloninc depression, it would feel quite fair to include the impact of the depression in Bangladesh and India as both systems are technically the same storm given the context of it all. Should we do what the title of this discussion says? Quake1234 (talk) 21:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

The "same storm" is a violation of WP:OR since official sources do not portray this as such. Noah, BSBA^Talk 22:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, there are secondary sources stating that Yagi did regenerate over the Bay of Bengal: this piece by India Today and this piece by Business Today. OhHaiMark (talk) 02:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

So it shoild be added back then. 2600:1014:B14C:D3B8:0:56:5062:8501 (talk) 17:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Strong Oppose until meteorological sources state that Yagi's remnants contributed to the formation of Deep Depression BoB 05, since the two articles linked above only suggest that they might have contributed.Jason Rees (talk) 18:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Yagi-BOB_05

When the Indian system dissolves, there will be a more comprehensive assessment. Nguyễn Quốc Anh (1248) (talk) 23:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Strongest typhoon in Vietnam

The Government of Vietnam reviewed Yagi as the strongest typhoon making landfall in Vietnam in 70 years. Source: https://baochinhphu.vn/thu-tuong-chu-tri-hoi-nghi-khac-phuc-hau-qua-bao-voi-4-muc-tieu-lon-102240915084502046.htm. 117.1.85.84 (talk) 05:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Did you read the reason on why your edit was reverted: "Probably better to mention in the section the strongest are already mentioned."? Wolf20482 (talk) 06:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

You have also added a reference named vtvyagi2 in some of your revisions (here and here for instance), but the reference isn't meaningfully defined and caused a Cite error. Can you consider fixing that? Wolf20482 (talk) 06:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)