Talk:The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power
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Latest comment: 3 days ago by Adamstom.97 in topic Potential episode moves
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Q1: Why does this article not include audience scores from IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes?
A1: User-generated scores are not considered to be reliable sources on Wikipedia. Q2: Why does this article not include critical reviews from Forbes?
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Opportunity for User:Skcin7 to state their case
edit@Skcin7. You can state your case here, and we can discuss how to properly include the information you are wanting to include. Please consider reading through the blue links under "Frequently asked questions" at the top of this page before doing so. Thanks. TNstingray (talk) 00:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- well, let me bring some consensus possibilities to weight.
- Right now this area is only stating the professional critics view and not the audience critic view on the same website about the same show. There we have over 25.000+ ratings with a score of 38%.
- Maybe it could be written:
- The review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes reported a Score of 83% approval by critics for the first season based on 489 reviews in contrast to the Audience score of more than 25.000 ratings and a score of 38% approval.
- same for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Rings_of_Power_season_1#Reception
- --2003:DF:A72F:9F00:C11B:2E24:1152:C660 (talk) 02:38, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- MOS:TVRECEPTION. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 03:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- And WP:USERGEN. -- Alex_21 TALK 07:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thx for this link.
- To quote the rule: "Review aggregation websites such as Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic are citable for data pertaining to the ratio of positive to negative reviews;" While it is correct, that we shouldnt mention the user reviews by these rules, it is not impossible to mention the contrast to these public user views to the prof. score.
- Maybe it could be written:
- The review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes reported a Score of 83% approval by critics for the first season based on 489 reviews in strong contrast to the negative Audience score. ErikWar19 (talk) 02:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think in context the bit you quote above is about the ratio of positive critical reviews to negative. Later in the section, it also says:
do not include user ratings submitted to websites such as the Internet Movie Database, Metacritic, or Rotten Tomatoes (including its "Audience Says" feature), as they are vulnerable to vote stacking and demographic skew.
If you can find this sort of thing mentioned in a reliable source, then possibly. But as written I would object to your sentence as being too close to WP:SYNTH. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 02:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC) - We can't just say that the audience score is negative as that implies that we think it is a reliable measure of the series' audience. The point of WP:USERG is that they are not reliable. What we can do is include commentary from reliable sources discussing the audience score if they think it is noteworthy, which we do already have at The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power season 1#Audience response. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why not summarize that section in a "Season 1 reception" here with a {Main article} link to that? Especially as the show doesn't have a second season yet AlexBobCharles (talk) 10:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- We should at some point, though it is tricky to cut down on what we have while maintaining all the points being made there. It may be easier to discuss this article in a month or two when the second season is out and we can compare the responses to both seasons. - adamstom97 (talk) 13:07, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why not summarize that section in a "Season 1 reception" here with a {Main article} link to that? Especially as the show doesn't have a second season yet AlexBobCharles (talk) 10:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think in context the bit you quote above is about the ratio of positive critical reviews to negative. Later in the section, it also says:
- MOS:TVRECEPTION. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 03:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Ignoring all policy , if someone is coming to a "Reception" section about a show about a subject with a pretty strong following on a WP article , it is likely that they are also a fan of that subject and the opinion of fans would matter a lot to them . It not being mentioned at all is dumb (which is probably why this has been mentioned lots of times in this talk page but has been refused by the same group of experienced editors each time) AlexBobCharles (talk) 13:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- In the meantime there is a pretty obvious "Reception of season 1" link that takes readers directly to all the details. We aren't trying to hide anything. - adamstom97 (talk) 13:40, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- @AlexBobCharles "It not being mentioned at all is dumb" - what about the "See also: Reception of season 1" link right below the Reception header? -- Alex_21 TALK 21:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Why show user scores on other content and explaining the discrepancy and not on the rings of power?
editI've seen on wikipedia pages on other movies/shows where the audience score from both metacritic and rotten tomateos are shown under veiwership and review topics. However only showing the critic reviews for the Rings of Power implies that the show is generally seen as favorable even though their is a clear divide between the two. Terps90 (talk) 22:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Other Wikipedia articles using user scores are incorrect and not an example for us to follow here. The FAQs at the top of this page cover why we do not use them. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Potential episode moves
editFYI for those watching this page, I have started move discussions for some of the episode articles that you may be interested in contributing to:
- Talk:A Shadow of the Past#Requested move 8 August 2024
- Talk:Partings#Requested move 8 August 2024
- Talk:Udûn#Requested move 8 August 2024
Thanks, adamstom97 (talk) 12:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)