Talk:The Big Bang Theory season 5

Number of episodes

How many Episodes are planned, only those seven or don't we just know the title of the others? Maybe include this fact in the head section -Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.206.186.46 (talk) 02:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

The titles are added as the information is released on reliable websites, in this case, Futon Critis. I believe there're around 20+ episodes for the season. 07 Matthew (talk) 04:17, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Production code

May I ask what's the significance of this production code column? 07 Matthew (talk) 04:20, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

There have been many discussions about this over the years. Production codes are relevant in some cases, such as Firefly, where airing episodes out of the order in which they were intended to air had a significant effect on the series (in Firefly's case it completely destroyed the storyline and resulted in cancellation), or even Futurama, where the effects were significant but not overly serious. Production codes can be used to explain significant continuity issues but generally they're of little encyclopaedic value, which seems to be the case with this series. Often they're the result of original research and the general consensus seems to be that if they're not needed, they shouldn't be included. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:30, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Just a small one.. Sheldon's title

I know in the series he regularly introduces himself as "Sheldon Cooper, PhD., however Sheldon tells us in the series that his highest educational award is actually an Sc.D.

Are we assuming that we should be using his title, or that he gained his Sc.D. post him introducing himself as PhD. and therefore it requires a change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.146.0 (talk) 21:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Season 5, Episode 8: The Isolation Permutation

In the description for this episode, it says that Sheldon drove Leonard to Amy`s house to apologize, when it is in fact Leonard who drove Sheldon to comfort Amy as Sheldon does not drive. Thank you for clearing this up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.119.146 (talk) 04:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Corrected. 07 Matthew (talk) 09:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Season 5, Episode 14

Why does it state that the "Beta test" goes poorly? By the way Penny and Leonard behave at the end of the show, this "method" seems to (so far) work well. Goliath74 (talk) 19:18, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Nimoy

Article states Nimoy to guest star on Mar 29th, but no episode scheduled for then. Please verify 82.31.185.176 (talk) 09:21, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I did this when I moved the content to its present location.[1] There is an episode scheduled for March 29, but as of yet there are no specific details.[2] --AussieLegend (talk) 13:31, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Plot lengths

While it should be obvious, since it's explained at {{Episode list}}, the plot lengths for several episodes in this article are excessive. {{Episode list}} says that episode summaries should be 100-300 words. Currently, the following episodes exceed this, some by a considerable amount:

• The Pulled Groin Extrapolation - 446 304 words done
• The Wiggly Finger Catalyst - 350 words done
• The Russian Rocket Reaction - 554 words done
• The Good Guy Fluctuation - 329 words done
• The Isolation Permutation - 426 words done
• The Ornithophobia Diffusion - 435 words done
• The Flaming Spittoon Acquisition - 348 words done
• The Speckerman Recurrence - 396 words done

All of these episodes need to be pruned. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Removed The Pulled Groin Extrapolation, The Wiggly Finger Catalyst, The Russian Rocket Reaction, The Good Guy Fluctuation, The Isolation Permutation, The Ornithophobia Diffusion and The Flaming Spittoon Acquisition from the list as user Nightscream's edits reduced the summaries for these episodes. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:55, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Can we consider The Pulled Groin Extrapolation done? I know it says summaries should be 100-300 words, but it is only over by 4 words, which is not a considerable amount, say like 10 or more. It is also does not look like it has an excess of words, looking to be the same length as episodes that are 100-300 words. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:12, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

100-300 words means it's over length by 4-204 words. 204 is a considerable amount. --AussieLegend (talk) 21:11, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I took what it says in {{Episode list}} to mean a TOTAL of 100-300 words. It says "A short 100-300 word summary of the episode." So in this case, Pulled Groin would be over by 4 and Speckerman would be over by 96. Reading your explanation, it makes it seem that the summaries total words should be 0-200 words. That's my interpretation of it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:26, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

You're correct that {{Episode list}} sets 100-300 as a TOTAL. That means we don't go over 300, because 100-300 is a reasonable range that gives us 200 words of leeway. If we allow 304 then why not 308 or 320, or even 400? Where do we set the line? We don't need to, as it has already been set at 300. --AussieLegend (talk) 21:46, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay. My only reasoning from before was that it was four words, not a extreme passed the limit (as I felt 305 or 310+ would be). But I follow your reasoning and decision. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:55, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Remaining episodes

Since the finale date was released, and the synopsis is here, http://www.cbs.com/shows/big_bang_theory/photos/62583/behind-the-scenes/102631 and the remaining air dates are listed on Futon Critic, can those episodes be added to the list, or should they only be done when more info is released about them? Personally I feel it would be okay to add them, and just add the info as it comes. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:48, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Absent: Mayim Bialik as Amy Farrah Fowler

Is this note necessary? It's trivial in my opinion and a bit repetitive, even though Amy is indeed, one of the main characters now in the series. 07 Matthew (talk) 08:57, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I feel it is necessary if it is the first time it has occurred. To date, I don't think any of the main five have been absent for more than one episode. Has Bernadette since being added to main cast? If she has, and it was not noted, then I agree with not having or needing the note.Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:39, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Unlike the original main cast members, Amy and Bernadette are only credited in the episodes in which they appear, and they don't appear in all episodes. Mentioning they they are absent is unnecessary. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:43, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Aussie. I tried removing this before, and it was put right back in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.234.185.69 (talk) 17:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Ampersands

In recent weeks there has been a wholesale change of ampersands (&) to "and" in this and other TBBT season articles. For the most part this was executed poorly, corrupting citations and text, breaking urls and introducing errors into the prose. I spent quite some time manually fixing all of the season articles to correct the errors that these, and subsequent edits, have caused. List of The Big Bang Theory episodes (season 4) was especially problematic, requiring considerable effort to fix.[3] As well as the ampersand issue, incorrect line break codes (</br> instead of <br> or the more compatible <br /> had been used) and careless editing with AWB had reformatted citation titles to comply with our date formatting guidelines, despite the titles being exact quotations of the source document titles. Regarding ampersands, I indicated that ampersands are permitted as per MOS:&, but I notice that there have been some changes, only a few hours later, again changing ampersands. MOS:& says "Ampersands may be used with consistency and discretion in tables, infoboxes, and similar contexts where space is limited." Since the episode tables are tables, the "|DirectedBy=" and "|WrittenBy=" fields are space limited and since we tend to put so much into these fields here, use of ampersands in these fields is entirely appropriate and supported by MOS:&. Accordingly, there is no good reason to change ampersands to "and" in these fields. --AussieLegend (talk) 01:12, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Color used on page

As the image for the season DVD has come out, I know that other seasons have made the color used on the page reflective of the banner on the DVD packing. Season 5 is a dark royal blue color, very similar to Season 4's color. So my question to everyone is,

Should the color be changed, even though it is very close to last season's (I don't want to create a confusion)?

I personally like the color we have had (partially because I've been used to it for the whole season), but would be fine with changing it if we could distinguish from season 4. Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:25, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Renaming season pages

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 21:32, 13 September 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

• List of The Big Bang Theory episodes (season 5) → The Big Bang Theory (season 5)
• List of The Big Bang Theory episodes (season 1) → The Big Bang Theory (season 1)
• List of The Big Bang Theory episodes (season 2) → The Big Bang Theory (season 2)
• List of The Big Bang Theory episodes (season 3) → The Big Bang Theory (season 3)
• List of The Big Bang Theory episodes (season 4) → The Big Bang Theory (season 4)

– Complying with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television)#Season articles Jzummak (talk) 01:20, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that section has any real consensus these days. When a now indef-blocked editor decided to create a Fait accompli by moving multiple season article pages without any consensus or discussion, supposedly in accordance with that section, a long discussion ensued at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television). The result of the discussion was that there was no consensus as to which format was most appropriate. As was pointed out at the discussion, the guideline conflicts with other guidelines, such as WP:LISTNAME, which is part of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists), and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (long lists). Both of these guidelines state that "List of" is the preferred naming convention for stand-alone lists with exceptions made on a case by case bases. Template:Episode list#Sublists specifies that the current format should be used, which is in line with the other guidelines. --AussieLegend (talk) 01:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• • The links provided in the example Template:Episode list#Sublists have long since been renamed. Jzummak (talk) 18:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
    • That doesn't change what Template:Episode list#Sublists or the guidelines say. --AussieLegend (talk) 18:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose it should include "episodes" if they are not going to be season overview articles. -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 03:56, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose as mentioned above, these articles are in-depth descriptions of the episodes for the seasons, so the titles accurately describe what is in the articles. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
  • These are season overview articles. For just about every television series, the title "List of X episodes" is used only for the series as a whole, not the individual detailed seasons, which use the title, "X (season #)," unless the show only lasted one season. Jzummak (talk) 18:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
    • As I indicated above, the reason there are so many articles not in the "List of Foo episodes (season x)" format is because they were moved there by a now indef-blocked editor who decided to create a Fait accompli by moving multiple season article pages without any consensus or discussion. It doesn't indicate consensus for the "Foo (season )" format. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:27, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
      • The nerve of you to degenerate some blocked user as a bad example. Look, as I have learned in the past, nothing is very absolute. We can't just follow these guidelines to use "List of" as a title. In fact, common is common, and general reader's needs are the main matters. List or not, the proposed is more consistent. --George Ho (talk) 18:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
        • "The nerve"? Excuse me but what are you on about? Jzummak was trying to justify the move by arguing there are so many articles not in the "List of Foo episodes (season x)" format without understanding why this is the case. I was simply explaining that this is the case because the blocked editor was the cause of that, so it can't be used as an argument for the move since it resulted in a Fait accompli, a practice that has been unanimously opposed at ArbCom. --AussieLegend (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
          • I apologize... I just... If we can't use a banned user as an example, what else? Guidelines? --George Ho (talk) 07:40, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Strong Support – Why are the season pages "list of" episodes for whatever season? Mostly every other season page doesn't have list of episodes. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 14:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

• • They include "list of" for the reasons that I've already explained above. I've also explained that the reason "Mostly[sic] every other season page doesn't have list of episodes" is because a now indefinitely blocked editor moved many articles without discussion or consensus. That particular editor appeared to have been using an unauthorised bot, making up to 44 edits per minute and averaged 9,000 edits per month. --AussieLegend (talk) 23:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
• Strong support - As said by IP 68.44, "<Show> (season #)" is more consistent and more comfortable to type than any other name. --George Ho (talk) 05:49, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
• comment see the related requested move occurring at Talk:List of The Big Bang Theory episodes (season 6) -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 08:01, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
• Comment – I listed this discussion on List of The Big Bang Theory episodes (season 6)#Requested move. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 16:23, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
• Strong support Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television)#Season articles. Unreal7 (talk) 23:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
• Support This is the normal convention as seen with [[4]] and [[5]], the other CBS comedies, not to mention every other TV program on en.wiki. Darrenhusted (talk) 19:27, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
• Strong Support, per consistency with other TV season articles. -- Wikipedical (talk) 02:28, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The Season 1 talk page states that one should NOT talk on that page, only here - eh?

Whatever. If that's the rule ...

In the Hamburger Postulate, IMDB fails to mention a vital part of the soundtrack, namely the name of the string quarter being played. Anybody know what it is? If Schubert, which D. no.? If not what is it??? THANKS! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.94.86 (talk) 16:33, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid that you've misread what is on the Season 1 talk page. What you read refers to the move discussion that was in progress in August 2012. I'm not sure why you added your question after that section rather than at the end, but it has been moved to the correct place on the page. That page is the appropriate place for discussion about season 1 episodes such as "The Hamburger Postulate", provided that the questions are aimed at improving the article, and not general discussion. --AussieLegend (✉) 16:51, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Citations needed for episode section title notes

I initially raised the following issue in the season two article discussion; perhaps further discussion/debate should occur on that page. This section serves as more of an outlining of the problem and a notification as to where it can be discussed.

We can't note where the title comes from unless we can source a RS that explains that; to do so is OR. I will wait about two weeks, as I am guessing that most of the season articles for the series do this. After that, I will remove them completely as unsourced OR. I welcome discussion on the matter until that time. Jack Sebastian (talk) 15:10, 3 August 2023 (UTC)