Talk:Gender-affirming surgery
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Nonbinary people should be mentioned edit
Nonbinary people should be mentioned. For example, under "other surgeries", there could be a line that says "for nonbinary people, these surgeries may include any of these" 76.106.22.9 (talk) 21:01, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, I asked to please include nullification surgery for non binary and agender people in this article, since it's about "Gender Confirmation Surgery". But I don't have an account and the article is locked.
- This article looks gender as a binary. I hope we can make a change, since this is not about "sex reassignment surgery". 186.34.109.70 (talk) 13:58, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, do you have any reliable sources related to nullification? I'm happy to add in anything that aligns with Wikipedia standards.
- I've added in references to operations pursued by non-binary people, however since medical practices are primarily structured around binary concepts there isn't a lot to work from. Please keep in mind that as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is a synthesis of published material (WP:SYNTH) and as such can only represent well documented practices. Lastchapter (talk) 16:05, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your response. It's difficult to find trustworthy sources and there's no medical studies that I could find, but I hope this article published on Vice.com may help https://www.vice.com/en/article/4axp3n/trans-people-are-seeking-nonbinary-bottom-surgeries
- Here is the link to the non binary description of surgeries provided by The Crane Center, the one mentioned in the article, where they interviewed Dr.Curtis Crane https://cranects.com/non-binary-surgery/
- I hope this could help to add at least a little information regarding non binary options that people are actually looking for, but are still not well known or even seen as taboo.
- Thank you very much! 186.34.109.70 (talk) 14:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Agree These sources are not perfect, but they are good for a start. — CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 15:48, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! 186.34.109.70 (talk) 04:35, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Lastchapter:
- Research on nullification surgery has just started recently, and is bound to expand this field of surgery.
- From Google Scholar, I found a book on ScienceDirect that mentions nullification surgical procedures involving vaginoplasty.
- and another book published by Taylor & Francis:
- These could have information that can be used to expand the scope of the article.
- Unfortunately, these sources are not open access. Those who have subscriptions to ScienceDirect and/or Taylor & Francis can share more content from the full text.
References
- ^ Selvaggi, Gennaro (2023-01-01), Purohit, Rajveer S.; Djordjevic, Miroslav L. (eds.), "Chapter 8 - Vaginoplasty: The Swedish technique", Atlas of Operative Techniques in Gender Affirmation Surgery, Academic Press, pp. 129–145, ISBN 978-0-323-98377-8, retrieved 2023-09-28
- ^ Hopwood, Ruben A. (2017), "Supporting the Transgender Individual in Deciding Their Pathway", Adult Transgender Care, Routledge, doi:10.4324/9781315390505-5/supporting-transgender-individual-deciding-pathway-ruben-hopwood, ISBN 978-1-315-39050-5, retrieved 2023-09-28
— CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 15:59, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- I added in the Vice article and did some formatting. I'm not entirely sure what belongs in the terminology vs surgery sections. Seems important to have descriptions in both, yet somehow not overly-redundant. Lastchapter (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- There's a lot of ongoing research on nullification surgery, so the uncertainty about current information is understandable.
- This is highly appreciated, Lastchapter. Thank you for contributions. — CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 15:56, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, your work is highly appreciated. 186.34.109.70 (talk) 04:36, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
- I added in the Vice article and did some formatting. I'm not entirely sure what belongs in the terminology vs surgery sections. Seems important to have descriptions in both, yet somehow not overly-redundant. Lastchapter (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Nullification surgery for agender people. edit
The article lacks information about Nullification surgery for agender people, as Gender-affirming surgery. I can't edit since the article is closed and I do not own an account. Thanks in advance. 186.34.109.70 (talk) 23:00, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Any WP:MEDRS about the topic? EvergreenFir (talk) 23:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Indeed. The article is quite complete regarding binary gender identities (masculine and feminine) and some of those procedures are used by non-binary people, but it lacks information about nullification surgery, which is used by some non-binary amab and agender people currently, it's becoming available in the US. 186.34.109.70 (talk) 17:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Confirmation? edit
When did Gender "Reassignment" Surgery become Gender "Affirming" Surgery? Given that at least some people have undergone surgery and subsequently regretted it, "affirmation" seems like an inappropriately decisive term. There's a whiff of "agenda pushing" coming through. 86.14.43.73 (talk) 12:09, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- The discussion at Talk:Gender-affirming_surgery/Archive_4#Requested_move_23_November_2022 might help, in particular the "PubMed search results" table. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
Dora Richter's whereabouts known until 1939. edit
Apologies if this is not the place to post this, I don't generally edit and am not sure where to request a change on a protected article.
The section on the history of gender-affirming surgery states that Dora Richter's whereabouts are unknown after 1933, and that she is presumed to have died in that year. This appears to be out of synch with her own page, which states that she survived the destruction of the Institute and was alive and living as a woman in 1939. 2001:464B:A1CA:0:9065:799F:F8E9:C18F (talk) 13:43, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- @2001:464B:A1CA:0:9065:799F:F8E9:C18F: Thank you for your interest in this article! I've just stumbled accros this and you're right, this just seem out of sync. The sources given in this article didn't seem particularly suitable for such a claim in any case so I've removed this - I haven't added about her whereabouts being known in 1939 as I think it is a little off-topic in general. TL;DR: this change is
Done GnocchiFan (talk) 20:43, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Update surgery requirements with the SOC-8 edit
The requirement to have a "1 period of real-life experience living in the desired gender" before being allowed to have gender reassignment surgery has been dropped in the newest revision of the SOC. Now the only requirement is to have 1 years of HRT hormones if cross-sex hormones are wanted and not contra-indicated
As is said in the SOC-8: "6.12.g- The adolescent had at least 12 months of gender-affirming hormone therapy or longer, if required, to achieve the desired surgical result for gender-affirming procedures, including breast augmentation, orchiectomy, vaginoplasty, hysterectomy, phalloplasty, metoidioplasty, and facial surgery as part of gender-affirming treatment unless hormone therapy is either not desired or is medically contraindicated." DigitalDruidNL (talk) 18:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
April 2024 study possibly being included? edit
Study on Cureus/Springer Nature[1] and on NIH/PubMed[2]
From the abstract: "This study evaluates the risk of suicide or self-harm associated with gender affirmation procedures."
"Methods This retrospective study utilized de-identified patient data from the TriNetX (TriNetX, LLC, Cambridge, MA) database, involving 56 United States healthcare organizations and over 90 million patients."
"Conclusion Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support."
This can either be added as a very recent and WP-approved 2024 scientific source to the suicide claims or perhaps a sentence reiterating the findings of the latest study.
2601:19E:427E:5BB0:824E:E4CF:1ED4:30C1 (talk) 03:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)