Talk:Rosendale Trestle/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Racepacket (talk) 03:23, 13 December 2010 (UTC) This is a wonderful article that represents a lot of work. I am placing it on hold so that you can address these concerns.

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   change "had been continuously reinforced" to "had been repeatedly reinforced"?

   I admit that the headline of fn 3 says "Walkway Over the Rondout" but I don't know whether that supports listing that phrase as a second name in bold for the span.

   B. MoS compliance:

   The lead should do a better job of describing the location of the trestle.

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr is the publisher of the New York Times, however, you should use the company name rather than the person for the publisher parameter. "The company or organization that publishes the news source (not to be used for the name of the news source itself; see the newspaper parameter). Can be (but need not be) omitted for major publications like The New York Times, but may add credibility for local papers that are part of a family of publications like The McClatchy Company." So you can actually leave it out for the NYT.

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   Fn 17 title should be "Notes of Various Interests" not "Fictitious Railroads"

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   Article states that the "sold the bridge, along with 11.5 miles (18.5 km) of the Wallkill Valley rail corridor" was sold to the businessman, but does not describe how much was purchased by the Trust and what will happen to all of the right-of-way. Record online at fn 5 says, "If OSI succeeds, the Wallkill Valley Rail Trail will run almost continuously from Walden in Orange County to Kingston. Only three hiatuses exist: the Shawangunk Correctional Facility was built on a portion of the trail, Canopy Development owns a section near Williams Lake in Rosendale, and one family built its swimming pool on a small piece."

   Is this on any historic register (there are recognition of historic status other than the National Register)? How about "inventory of the Historic American Engineering Record in Washington"?

   Was there any noteworth engineer responsible for the design? Did he receive any awards for it?

   What is the total projected cost of the rennovation? Fn 3 says $750,000.

   As I read the sources, the first bridge was wrought-iron, but it was replaced by a steel bridge in 1895. This should be made clear with an emphasis on the different materials used. See Fn 16. The article currently says that material selected for the second bridge was steel rather than iron, but does not clearly say that the first bridge was wrought iron and wood.

   Is there a visitor's center being built for the site? Give the reader some idea of what is involved in the current project?

   Will the trail once completed part of a larger system or will it be isolated? E.g., "Ulster County drafted plans in 2008 to connect the trail with both the Shawangunk Rail Trail to the south and Hudson Valley Rail Trail to the east."

   Is it rare for a King Bridge to be still standing? Is this the only one? The only one in NYS?

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

   Well done.

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Article placed on hold. Racepacket (talk) 04:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Reply

• All minor issues addressed.
• The lead says that it's in Rosendale, and spans the Rondout Creek and NY 213, and the exact geographic coordinates are available both in at the top of the page and in the infobox. I don't know how to make it more precise.

Whatever you can do to give a reader who has never heard of Rosendale a fighting chance of figuring out the location would help. Look at the map in Rosendale, New York. Alternatively, say Ulster County or Hudson Valley region or how many miles from New York City.

Done, and added a map.

• The information about the right-of-way is included in Wallkill Valley Rail Trail article under the history of the Rosendale section of the trial. I tried to keep trestle-specific content in the trestle article, and content about the trail in the trail article.
• The article does say under Construction that the bridge had 7 wrought-iron spans and 2 wooden ones.

I know, but my microscope said wrought iron + wood was different than iron. I think it reads better now.

• There was a fire in a West Shore office that destroyed many early documents of the WVRR. I haven't been able to find any information about the bridge's designer.

I understand.

• There is no visitor center planned, it's just a walkway. The former Rosendale rail depot, pictured south of the bridge, is long gone (don't have a source, but it's gone). The Binnewater station to the north was also destroyed (See Binnewater Historic District).
• Put in sentence on rarity of King Bridges, near the end because it's currently rare.

Well done.

• I haven't been able to find any kind of historic designation for the bridge. Plenty of people call it a historic trestle, purely because it dates to the 19th century. Once it's part of the rail trail, it'll be considered a National Recreation Trail.

Is there any way to search the inventory of the Historic American Engineering Record in Washington?

The HAER search function has been broken for a while; I've tried it in about four different browsers, in case they were doing some kind of sniffing. Ironically, the link to their Accessibility document is also broken. Hopefully, when Bergmann Associates' report on the bridge becomes public next month, it'll have a detailed history and status of the bridge. Their report on the Poughkeepsie Bridge was fairly comprehensive.

• Everything planned for the bridge that's been published has already been included. I can't add more content without creating original research.

Just a suggestion, how about adding after, "intention of adding it to the Wallkill Valley Rail Trail." "In turn, Ulster County drafted plans in 2008 to connect the trail with both the Shawangunk Rail Trail to the south and Hudson Valley Rail Trail to the east." which has a source of fn 6 of Wallkill Valley Rail Trail? I think that giving context is not original research.

I added a sentence about how renovating the bridge will extend the trail, but I don't think it's important to mention further extensions to the trail itself. None of the news articles about the bridge rehabilitation talk about regional extensions to the trail, just that the bridge will allow the trail to be almost 24 miles (39 km).

Let me know if there's still something that needs to be changed. And thanks for reviewing this so quickly.
--Gyrobo (talk) 05:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• Congratulations. passed. Racepacket (talk) 03:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)