Talk:Roland keytars

I don't think the keyboard has a MIDI IN port. Only MIDI out —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.216.130.73 (talk) 15:03, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To merge Roland AX-7 to Roland keytars on the grounds of WP:PRODUCT

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I propose that we move Roland AX-1 to a new umbrella name, Roland keytars, and merge into it any reliably sourced content from overlapping topics Roland AX-7, Roland AX-Synth, and Draft:Roland AX-Edge.

Guideline WP:PRODUCT encourages large, comprehensive articles. It says, "Avoid creating multiple stubs about each individual product." The pages on these four models of Roland keytars cite, in total, one independent reliable source, the other cited sources being user-generated, press releases, or the company, so there's no evidence that each model is independently notable. (Indeed, the notability of the entire line is unsettled. If no additional sources are found, the line could be further merged into the corporation article, but I will leave that possibility for consideration in the future.)

I think that the content in the four model pages could easily be explained in the broader context of Roland keytars, and the proposed Roland keytars article will be a reasonable size when the four-into-one merger is complete. --Worldbruce (talk) 07:05, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Worldbruce: Yes please, do it. No one will oppose you. Popcornduff (talk) 14:47, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

OK, I went ahead and did it myself. I'm on a cleaning spree of awful Roland articles. Popcornduff (talk) 14:57, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

This was reverted by @Oakshade:. Oakshade, can you explain why you oppose the merge? Popcornduff (talk) 03:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Attention participants in 2007 Roland AX-7 AfD. (AllGloryToTheHypnotoad—Morgan Wick—Springnuts) --Worldbruce (talk) 06:38, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Oakshade: Upon unmerging Roland AX-7, you wrote in your edit summary There was zero support for this merge. This survived an AfD as "keep" which was the last true gauge of consensus. In the three months the merge was advertised, no one objected, and two editors backed merging. I'm sorry I didn't notice the prior AfD when I proposed the merge. It would have been courteous to notify you and the other editors involved in case you didn't have the article watchlisted (something I have remedied above for those still active). Is it the idea of merging that you object to, or would you like more or different content merged? --Worldbruce (talk) 06:44, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Slapping on a merge proposal tag and only one user in what appears to be a tag team effort wanting this with zero real discussion by the community is basically the definition of WP:CONLIMITED. The last AfD was when there was a wider community scrutiny. I would advise sending this to AfD if this is considered not notable. Oakshade (talk) 13:07, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Do you actually oppose the merge? ie, do you personally think these should be separate articles? Popcornduff (talk) 13:15, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I oppose the merge based on the complete lack of community scrutiny when an AfD was closed as keep. If it's up for AfD again, I'll give it a look. Oakshade (talk) 16:20, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Disinterest of Wikipedia editors in properly researching an article is no excuse for a merge. Why not merge all Roland products into Roland drum machines and Roland keyboards? Why not merge the 1000 Simpsons articles into one? Why not merge all Wikipedia articles into one article called stuff? WP:PRODUCT is not a WP policy: you want WP:ORG, where its section on products says to limit product articles where there is no hope of expansion. Every individual Roland product article has hope of expansion once the gearheads get involved, trust me. Frankly, I consider this merge proposal (and the desire to subsume all keytars into a Roland keytars article in general) to be in bad faith and counter to WP philosophy, and I'm a deletionist ffs. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 00:11, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Support merge for the reasons in favour above. Springnuts (talk) 10:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 09:05, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

This discussion with fizzled away over a year ago was NOT a consensus at all - 2 editors wanted it, 2 didn't - again, not even close to a consensus. There was already and AfD with an actual consensus. Advise sending this to AfD to actually get a consensus. Oakshade (talk) 18:21, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Discussion aren't about voting; they're about discussion based on policy and precedent. There doesn't seem to be an argument presented against WP:PRODUCT (just a dismissal of it). It might be best to expand Roland keytars#AX-7 in situ, then SPLIT once independent notability is clear. Klbrain (talk) 10:21, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Discussions are about coming to a Consensus. Zero consensus was not at all reached that policy or precedent mandated a merge after an extremely limited discussion that ended over a year ago.Oakshade (talk) 16:23, 11 April 2020 (UTC)