Talk:Out-of-box failure

Deletion Discussion

This is a real term used in the industry. Try scanning Google with "Out-Of-Box Failure" and see how many hits you get. I had 820 for the specific string. It's used both as a legal term in warranty agreements, and as a descriptive in articles and user instructions.

Some links showing usage:

• CNET News articles Alienware Aurora and Philips Monitor
• King Technologies: Warranty statement
• Canadian Redline Communications: Care Services Program and Advanced Hardware Replacement Service
• Exalt Communications: Support Statement
• Danimex Communications: WarrantyConditions
• Iwatsu Networks: Company Information
• BizRate Article: Samsung Satellite Receiver
• Lucent: Instructions for returning material
• IDS: Terms and Policies
• Bogen Communications: Return Policy
• HP: Return Policy

Now I could keep going, but the point is that this is a commonly used term and as such should be covered by Wikipedia. Further, this term is used both as a common language descriptive, and a legal term in at least the telecommunications, wireless, and PC industries.

Something I also want to highlight is that companies such as HP and Lucent use the term in legalese, which is a strong statement of support, considering the cohorts of lawyers both of them command. Articles on at least CNET and BizRate also seem to use the term frequently.

Thus, I strongly recommend that this article not be deleted, and instead be embraced as an industry term in common use. Aki Korhonen 23:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was move per request. In addition to the MoS citation below, I have searched Google books and news archive to see how reliable sources use the name and lowercase is used about three times out of four from that quick survey.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

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Out of Box Failure → Out-of-box failure — "Do not apply initial capitals in a full term that is a common noun just because capitals are used in the abbreviation." Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Acronyms_and_abbreviations XP1 (talk) 13:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

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