Talk:2010 Mentawai earthquake and tsunami

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:15, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

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October 2010 Sumatra Earthquake → October 2010 Sumatra earthquake — No need for "earthquake" to be capitalized, it's not a proper noun, and I get an error message when I try to move it myself. C628 (talk) 13:15, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

• Support That's what it was initially called before I moved it to 2010 Sumatra tsunami (since the earthquake killed none but the tsunami killed 23) before it was moved to its current name by Eugen Simion 14 (talk · contribs), who stated that it was "not tsunami". Wackywace ^{converse | contribs} 13:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Support move to October 2010 Sumatra earthquake and tsunami Wackywace ^{converse | contribs} 15:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
• Move back to October 2010 Sumatra tsunami - per WP:COMMONNAME. Yes, perhaps this is technically an earthquake first and tsunami second but our job is to parrot not to invent. NY times, BBC News and Reuters all call it a tsunami.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

  On second thoughts, Move to October 2010 Sumatra earthquake and tsunami. This would satisfy my point above and would also match the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami article.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

• Support, but we could try 'October 2010 earthquake and tsunami' following the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami, although to me the tsunami is just one of the effects of the earthquake. Mikenorton (talk) 15:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support October 2010 Sumatra earthquake for now. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
• Comment - If we do have Tsuanmi in the title i would suggest that we dont just limit it to Sumatra since islands as far away as La Reunion were affected by this Tsunami.Jason Rees (talk) 17:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I imagine that Reunion was only affected in a very minor way by the tsunami, the only deaths appear to be from the Mentawai islands, so Sumatra is probably sufficient. Mikenorton (talk) 17:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

• Comment isn't the tsunami the more significant event, with the earthquake as just the initiator? 76.66.203.138 (talk) 04:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

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Earthquake sequence on Sunda megathrust

I added a 'tectonic summary' section, including the following 'a sequence of megathrust earthquakes that started with the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake' which was changed to 'a sequence of megathrust earthquakes brought to worldwide attention with the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake'. Before the 2004 earthquake this area had been seismically relatively quiet since the 1797, 1833 and 1861 great earthquakes, apart from smaller events in 1935 and 2000. Since 2004 there have been numerous major earthquakes on adjacent parts of the plate interface in 2005, 2006, 2007 etc., that's what I was trying to convey, supported by the USGS summary "Today's earthquake is the latest in a sequence of large ruptures along the Sunda megathrust, including a M 9.1 earthquake that ruptured to within 800 km north of this earthquake in 2004; a M 8.6 700 km to the north between Nias and Simeulue in 2005; and a M 7.5 300 km to the north near Padang in 2009". I'll have a go at rewording to more closely match the source. Mikenorton (talk) 15:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I've had a go and added another ref to Kerry Sieh's summary paper on the Sunda megathrust. Mikenorton (talk) 15:21, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Rename as "earthquake and tsunami"?

Media reports over the last few hours seem to confirm the size of the tsunami and indicate the majority of deaths are attributed to this rather than the earthquake. [1][2][3][4] 203.7.140.3 (talk) 01:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Not a real place?

Were an Earthquake to occur in France it would be called a French earthquake, not a France Earthquake. Why is this not being called the Sumatran earthquake? Is Sumatra too exotic to accord the repect of proper English usage?

See Sumatra Rhino vs Sumatran Rhino

I suggest that proper English usage be observed, and

• Support that the article be moved to October 2010 Sumatran earthquake.μηδείς (talk) 04:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

The standard format for earthquake articles that has been adopted on Wikipedia is 'Date' 'Place' earthquake e.g. 2010 Chile earthquake or 2010 Central Canada earthquake, as far as I know there are none where the location uses an adjectival form, so this is not a matter of 'English usage'. Mikenorton (talk) 08:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Earthquake in France near Paris - Paris Earthquake - not Parisian Earthquake

in Texas - Texas Earthquake - not Texan Earthquake

on an island - Greenland Earthquake and Sumatra Earthquake

but for countries, French Earthquake and Indonesian Earthquake, right?

or would those be - France Earthquake and Indonesia Earthquake?Racerx11 (talk) 14:29, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Earthquakes tend only to get named for the country in the case of very large earthquake affecting a large area (e.g. 2010 Chile earthquake linked above) or smaller countries (e.g. 2010 Haiti earthquake), so this is rarely an issue. I have always viewed the article name as shorthand for 'the earthquake that affected this place in this year' not that the earthquake 'belongs' to the place. Mikenorton (talk) 15:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

It appears you are correct. Intuitively I would have expected for example, 2010 Chilean earthquake. However in the article for 2010 Chile earthquake, the very first sentence in the lead reads, "The 2010 Chilean earthquake occurred off the coast of the..." so maybe that needs to be corrected?

Also I notice the word "earthquake" is left uncapitalized in the name in virtually all cases. I assumed otherwise for some reason. Thanks for the info.Racerx11 (talk) 16:08, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I've changed the lede in the Chile article, it should match the article name. Earthquake remaining lower case is just a general WP:MOS thing as far as I know. Mikenorton (talk) 16:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Redirect talk page

• CONFLICT

  The talk pages and article are not the same. Hinata talk 18:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

• Resolved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:16, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

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October 2010 Sumatra earthquake → October 2010 Sumatra earthquake and tsunami — Further to the above minor capitalisation move, and following some points made there, I would like to propose this. The article is about both earthquake and tsunami, and the latter is seen as much more significant in the public eye (and the whole thing is commonly referred to as a "tsunami" by, for example, NY times, BBC News and Reuters). The proposed title would match 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:30, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• Support as nom. Wackywace ^{converse | contribs} 08:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support the tsunami was the more significant feature of the disaster Trex21 (talk) 09:42, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support the tsunami is more notable. It might even be that the common name is the tsunami, not the earthquake. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 11:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support Makes sense. Hinata talk 15:52, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support, tsunami is the cause of the damage and news reports. C628 (talk) 01:55, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

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Response section contains nothing other than empty words

The Response section is outdated and almost embarrassing in the sense that it includes no offers of aid, nor real actions, only words. Perhaps rename "initial reactions", but best to cut entirely and replace with evidence of actual steps taken to help and remediate. Martindo (talk) 23:35, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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