Talk:North–South MRT line/GA1

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Vami IV (talk · contribs) 12:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Opening statement

In reviews I conduct, I may make small copyedits. These will only be limited to spelling and punctuation (removal of double spaces and such). I will only make substantive edits that change the flow and structure of the prose if I previously suggested and it is necessary. For replying to Reviewer comment, please use  Done,  Fixed,  Added,  Not done,  Doing..., or  Removed, followed by any comment you'd like to make. I will be crossing out my comments as they are redressed, and only mine. A detailed, section-by-section review will follow. —♠Vami_IV†♠ 12:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@1.02 editor: as co-nom. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 12:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

As this the first of the reviewees' articles that I have reviewed, they should note that I am a grammar pendant and will nitpick in the interest of prose quality. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 12:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• (from approximately 5.30 am to around midnight) Give and link the local time, and render "5.30" as "5:30" per MOS:TIME  Fixed
• All the trains on the NSL runs Should just be "run".  Fixed
• split from the East West line "East West line" should have a wikilink.  Done
• In the 1990s, the line extends Should be "extended"  Fixed
• ageing Is this part of the local English dialect?
  • Yes I think so if I am not wrong.--ZKang123 (talk) 14:04, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
    • Ageing is actually quite commonly used not just in singapore especially when referring to 'ageing population' 1.02 editor (T/C) 23:36, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
• of the line includes Should be "include"  Fixed
• and set to open Should be "and are set"  Fixed

History

There is a lot of history that needs adding. Context, such as the need for public transport, and progression, such as the construction of the line, are missing here. We start at After the decision to build a rail-based urban transport system in Singapore, [...], on what feels like page 2 or 3 of the metaphorical book. The prose here is otherwise solid.

 Doing... I have lifted a portion from the MRT page which provides the necessary context. If you think it is sufficient, I will mark as done.--ZKang123 (talk) 00:05, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 20:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Subsequent developments

• Move or delete one of the images here; there's some WP:SANDWICH going on between them and the timeline.  Done
• The NSL platforms of the Bishan station went through major alterations for the station to be linked to the Circle line. When?
  •  Not done It is not known when the alterations started but only when it opened, which is already in the article. 1.02 editor (T/C) 01:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Probably need to look up at some past Bishan MRT news articles regarding it. On the Bishan MRT station article itself, I think it was unsourced and I added citations to it. Not sure if that statement is speculative or something... if needed probably removed it.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
  • So far sources state it increases passenger capacity.. we are unable to access to full article sadly: search--ZKang123 (talk) 02:41, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
• Jurong East Modification Project (JEMP) This is the only time this acronym is used.  Fixed
• The 1-kilometre (0.6 mi), one station extension Confusing.  Fixed
• implementation of the new CBTC signalling system Link this CBTC system here.  Fixed
• Vesak Day Holiday Link.  Fixed
• Construction works for Replace with "Construction of".  Fixed

Incidents

• a 23-year-old driver driving his Replace "driver" with "man".  Fixed
• driving his brother's Mercedes E200 lost control of the car Consider simplifying this to "lost control of his vehicle"; otherwise, link the Mercedes.  Fixed
• crashing through Should be past tense.  Fixed
• due to damage sustained on 40-metre power rail Is this a 40-metre power rail, or 40 metres of power rail? Add Template:Convert here, too.  removed
• The nature of the incident discussed in the second paragraph confuses me. What caused the damage? Two days later, a similar fault Implies either an earthquake or a design oversight?
  •  Done the cause was similar to what happened two days earlier, and i have clarified this. 1.02 editor (T/C) 01:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
• started with a flooding in the tunnels Delete "a".  changed
• (causing rainwater to flood the tunnels rapidly, and that the disruption started during a torrential downpour) Obliterate.  Fixed
• disruption; Train Replace the semicolon with a period.  Fixed

Network and operations

• Per the Manual of Style, section headers should be sentence-case.  Fixed
• 5.30am to around midnight daily. See the relevant bullet-point in "Lead".  Fixed
• Selected trains from Marina South Pier station also terminates Should be "also terminate".  Fixed
• [...] in the west side of Singapore, Just use the title of the article being linked here, like: [...] in the West Region,  Fixed
• Why do some of the interchange notes in the list have citations while others don't?
  •  moved It seems like only the stations that were recently announced have the citations, I have moved them into prose.

Infrastructure

• manufactured from Kawasaki Heavy Industries, manufactured by  Done
• with a joint venture with CSR Qingdao Sifang in a joint venture with  Done
• Automatic train control [...] Automatic train operation [...] Automatic train protection Make these sentence-case
  •  Fixed
  •  Not done yet, someone else may check this.--ZKang123 (talk) 00:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
    • Sorry about that, I forgot my grievance. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 01:07, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
• I'm not sure if Paragraph 3 of "Signalling" is necessary. No specifics about the signalling systems is given, aside from its being supplied by Westinghouse. Cut and combine it with Paragraph 1.
  •  Doing... currently combining with the existing paragraph 1, if you think it is sufficient, I will mark as done. --ZKang123 (talk) 07:26, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
• MRT trains were also progressively retrofitted with new equipment on board to be compatible with the new signalling system. No citation present.
  •  Not done yet, someone else may check this.--ZKang123 (talk) 00:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
  •  Removed It appears that this part has been removed, as I cannot find it anymore in the section.--ZKang123 (talk)
• "Platform screen doors" is WP:SANDWICH; delete the image on the left.  Done
• only all underground One or the other.  Done
• supplied by Westinghouse Brake and Signal Company Ltd the Westinghouse Brake and Signal Company  Done
• (a member of the Knorr-Bremse Group) Irrelevant, delete.  Done
• (better ventilation and air conditioning) Delete this too.  Done
• The authorities initially Delete "the".
  •  Not done. I thought 'The authorities' will sound correct, at least according to our grammar rules. Not so sure.--ZKang123 (talk) 00:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
    • Actually, you're right. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 01:16, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
• Nevertheless, the LTA reversed its decision with plans announced by the government to install half-height platform screen doors on the elevated stations on 25 January 2008 to enhance the safety of rail commuters and reduce the incidence of track intrusions. Condense, and delete everything after "25 January 2008"; it's redundant.
  •  Done Condensed
• which were needed to be replaced Delete "were".  Done.
• The new replacement sleepers Delete "new".  Done
• Train services on the line were ended earlier for critical maintenance works since 2014 Reword. Done
• Since 2014, train services on the line ended earlier for critical maintenance works have ended.  Fixed
• powered by electricity by a third rail. Shorten; powered via a third rail  Done

Referencing

• What makes OpenStreetMap a reliable source here?
  • Personally, I prefer to use it over Google Maps as I find OSM easier to use than Google Maps, plus OSM can show the tracks and the tunnels more clearly than Google Maps. However, if you like me to I can add citations from Google Maps.--ZKang123 (talk) 23:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
    • I prefer OSM, too; my issue with OSM was that it's user-made, but thinking on it now, no it isn't, because it's a map of the Earth. Still, it'd be nice to have credible, textual references like a rail guide published by the relevant authority or party to back up the map. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 19:19, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Thing is, there aren't really sources or rail guides published by the relevant authorities or parties (many are rather brief). In a peer review, @Truflip99: suggested to include a prose for the route, and recommended using maps as sources as has been done for the MAX Orange Line. The prose, truthfully, is entirely written by myself (with some ce by Truflip99) with references to the map. It may sound like original research though...--ZKang123 (talk) 01:57, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not discourage the use of Google Maps or OSM as references. There is even a template for one of them. I personally don't believe there is anything trivial about using either source to describe a train route in particular because it is a de facto source of that information. All you're doing is describing the train route and its vicinity in written form as it appears on a map. I would agree with the reviewer that it would be good to back that up with official material from reliable primary and secondary sources. I don't think the MAX Orange Line article is an accurate representation of this, as it is not a complete article. I would suggest looking at MAX Red Line or Loop Service for how I did this. Also, I don't think it's fair to penalize the editor just because the LTA does a poor job at providing this basic information. --Truflip99 (talk) 02:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I have taken the matter about the use of OSM and Google Maps to be closed, but what matters more is to find other official reliable resources to back the prose up. I am now doing such on the Internet now, but I cant guarantee it will be successful.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:56, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to strike off this section now. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 16:52, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Just asking, can street directories published locally (such as streetdirectory.com) be used as sources as well?--ZKang123 (talk) 06:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Difficult question. After looking in to streetdirectory (and it's history of being sued for alleged copyright infringement) and at WP:RS, I'm leaning on "no", but I'm not an expert. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 14:33, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Well there is another reliable local street directory called Mighty Minds, which uses satellite imagery, road survey, official sources and public feedback. There are no longer government issued-street directories anymore sadly, due to the low demand of physical street directories.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:33, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I think I have found an authoritative official government online map onemap released by SLA (Singapore Land Authority). Will that do?--ZKang123 (talk) 10:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

GA progress

Pictures are relevant and free. Copyvio scanning gave a 57% likelihood of copyright violation; inspection revealed that the issue was a lengthy quotation from Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 12:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, is there any further updates needed for this article? Other outstanding issues to resolve?--ZKang123 (talk) 01:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

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