Talk:Metro East

I live in the area and I know what is considered part of Metro East and what isn't. I'm breaking up this page. This will take a lot of edits, so be patient. Kimmy78 02:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Citations

OK, this article originally listed 11 counties as Metro-east, now it lists 6 and St. Louis MSA includes 5 counties. Does anyone have a source for what exactly is Metro-east, not I live there so trust me, but an actual, verifiable source? Someone created Image:Metro-East location.gif, I was about to make an svg version, but I see that the definition has changed. Can someone tell me what counties to include so I can make the map? --Dual Freq 18:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

• "The Illinois Section of the St. Louis Metropolitan Statistical Area, better known as the Metro East, is comprised of five counties: Clinton, Jersey, Madison, Monroe and St. Clair".[1] --Dual Freq 19:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

The MSA should be the deciding factor. The western parts of the five counties (Clinton, Jersey, Madison, Monroe and St. Clair) extending into Illinois are quite rural-- any other counties that may have been previously listed are certainly not part of a "metropolitain" area. I think it is great you are going to make an image map-- however, Image:Metro-East location.gif clearly is overstating thigs a bit, so if you make an .svg, the the aforementioned 5 counties are appropriate, in my opinion. --Lmbstl 10:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

PS- see Image:St Louis MSA.png. Although not beautiful, it is correct. --Lmbstl 10:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

There is also this image Image:Untitled-8.png used on the {{St. Louis MSA}} template . . .

OK, I'm changing the list to the 5 Illinois counties in the St. Louis MSA. According to the above link, Jersey county wasn't always part of the MSA, maybe in the future Washington county will be added, but right now it is not part of the MSA and also not part of Metro-East. --Dual Freq 19:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

As for the image, Image:St Louis MSA.png seems OK, Image:Untitled-8.png doesn't include Clinton County for some reason. The SVG one I planned would be exactly like Image:Map of Illinois highlighting Northwestern Illinois.svg except with the appropriate counties highlighted. It would take a bout 5 minutes to do, but Image:St Louis MSA.png seems OK and it includes names. If anyone wants the SVG version, I'll add it on request. --Dual Freq 21:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

If your version is an improvemnt, then by all means, please feel free to add it! --Lmbstl 02:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

In a related note, offically there are now 9 IL counties in the IL portion of the St Louis MSA. I doubt that locals consider the newly added counties as part of the Metro East though so I have made a subtle change to the summary to reflect it by removing "the" instead of adding them. ("Metro East" is very much a local term not on a federal one like MSAs.) Jon 18:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Who decides which counties are included or not? Is this the state of Illinois? I find it interesting because Bond County is not mentioned, despite being closer in location to St. Louis than many of the areas (particularly in Clinton County) listed. Bond County does consider itself to be part of the Metro East and I have heard it described as such informally (covered in the Metro East section of the Post-Dispatch, for instance) and so it is odd that it is not included, yet areas 30 miles farther away from St. Louis are included. That's weird. Why can't the article include those counties which are often assumed to be part of it, while mentioning that they are not included in it by the statistical authority? That seems to be a more appropriate way to do it.--Gloriamarie 19:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it's pretty standard to include the MSA in Wikipedia. It's been done in other regions throughout the country. I'm from Highland, so I can see what you're saying regarding Bond County, but since it's been pretty standard, I think that the MSA is the way to go. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cpsteiner (talk • contribs) 07:51, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Why is Monroe County omitted??

Just as with the Greater St Louis article, Monroe Countty is mysteriously missing! Monroe is a long-time part of the Metro East and of the St Louis MSA. But it doesn't get named as one of the five Metro East counties; the other four are listed, but Monroe isn't. It's even shown on the map insert!! Why is it not named? Why aren't its principal cities (Columbia and Waterloo) listed? Is this an intentional slight? 166.137.141.49 (talk) 04:48, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

This whole article is messed up and needs to be fixed. 71.171.142.88 (talk) 01:09, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I added Monroe County per the St. Louis MSA. Washington (IL) and Randolph (IL) is not on it because they are not on the MSA even though the Belleville News-Democrat considers both as part as the Metro-East. Kimmy78 (talk) 00:58, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Metro East in Fiction

One of the Silhouette First Love series books from the early 1980s was set in the Alton area, and makes various references to the landmarks that were in the area at the time. However, the title escapes me at the moment and while I still have that book I can't find it. Kimmy78 (talk) 11:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Statement about "white flight"

The comment about white flight being the primary contributor to the eastward shift in Metro East's population was taken out of context from the STLToday source. The original article states that a shift in both white and black populations has occurred. In fact, the same article attributes Belleville's population increase to an influx of black residents. The root cause of this population shift is due to an aging population and infrastructure, loss of jobs, businesses and services in the communities along the river. At the same time, the communities to the east tend to be a younger demographic and in a higher income bracket than those along the river. There are more jobs, shopping, and entertainment choices further east. New housing is very affordable and plentiful. It's not accurate to attribute this migration to "white flight", which infers that white residents have moved eastward to avoid contact with blacks. This is an incorrect generalization. Economic factors and quality of life are the true reasons for the shift. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.228.227.118 (talk) 00:42, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Macoupin etc.

Apparently the Illinois counties included in the St Louis MSA are now Bond, Calhoun, Clinton, Jersey, Macoupin, Madison, Monroe, and St. Clair. Should the article mention that Macoupin County etc. count, at least according to some definitions? Q·L·1968 ☿ 20:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, with elaboration. One of the problems is the size and shape of counties. Taking Macoupin as an example, the most southerly stretch, Brighton-Bunker Hill-Staunton, is all but indisputably Metro East. Northern Macoupin definitely is not. It's the same problem encountered when, for example, Nebraska is included in the Midwest. Is Omaha midwestern? Sure. Kimball? No way. Political borders usually don't correspond with cultural and commercial networks. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 02:59, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

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