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With the translation of Highway 57 (Israel), which I hope to finish soon with God's help, all the highways in Israel from 1 to 99 will be listed with articles on both Hebrew and English Wikipedia.

I hope to make this a Wikipedia:Featured list. In order to reach that goal, I propose to do the following:

  • Add information about every numbered highway in Israel, including those with three and four digits. I have a partial list on my Hebrew Wikipedia user subpages. Completing this list will require me to check multiple maps to make sure I don't miss any numbered roads. I want to create stubs for every road, even if it's a short entrance road to one or two small communities. To me, the fact that a road is numbered is prima facie evidence of notability. I want to create articles about these roads on Hebrew Wikipedia also, but the admins there have stricter notability standards, so they might not allow it.
  • Create sections on this list for roads numbered 100 to 999 and 1000 to 9999, and more subsections if necessary. Then change the name of this page to List of numbered roads in Israel.
  • Finally, let's remove all the redlinks the hard way, not the easy way. In other words, I want articles to be created on every single community in Israel on English Wikipedia. As I've remarked before, I'm surprised that after seven years of Wikipedia's existence, this has not been done, but I'm doing it. Blue-links are the hallmark of a featured list for which much thought and work has gone into preparing the listed articles.
  • I'd like to add junctions where highways begin and end to the table. For example, Highway 65 (Israel) begins at Caesarea junction with Highway 2 (Israel) and ends at Nahal Amud junction with Highway 85 (Israel). This information, if tabulated, would add clarity to the endless names of places on the list.

I'll seek out a peer review and guidance from the U.S. Roads WikiProject and the Israel WikiProject. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 19:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

There is one featured list of highways: List of Interstate Highways in Texas. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 19:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Hi Shalom! (Shalom, Shalom ;)) First of all, thank you very much for your interest in Israeli highway articles, as well as localities. It is inspiring that some Israeli Wikipedians are still working on that, and didn't descend to the level of editing articles related to 'the conflict' only. I do have several comments however:

  1. About creating an article for each Israeli locality - we've actually had a discussion on this very recently at WP:Israel. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel#Mass-creation of locality articles.
  2. Despite the above, I strongly believe that we should focus on quality rather than quantity, if at all possible. Therefore, before creating 1,000, or 10,000 road articles, at least a few of them should make GA status first, and listy articles should be avoided. Compare for example Highway 1 (Israel) with Route 431 (Israel).
  3. In addition, I do not believe that local roads (4-digits) are inherently notable. The notability guideline is not only about the notability of a subject, but also about its potential to become a full-fledged article. Most 4-digit roads to not have that potential, and there's nothing to really say about them. Moreover, who will maintain hundreds (if not more) of these substubs? I think that a list similar to the US list (i.e. with descriptions for each road) will suffice for the 4-digit roads, while 3-digit ones can have articles, I guess.
  4. This seems to be a pretty important thing both for us personally and for coverage of Israel on Wikipedia, so I suggest that you post a link to the discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel.

Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 20:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, Ynhockey. I've been thinking something similar to you regarding the advisability of individual articles for four-digit roads. Basically, I see three ways to do this:
  1. Separate lists for 1-99, 100-999 and 1000-9999. Each road gets its own article.
  2. One list for all numbered roads. Each road gets its own article.
  3. Separate lists for 1-999 and 1000-9999. Everything from 1-999 gets its own article, but four-digit roads are combined into a single list.

It seems you recommend the third approach or something very similar. I've been taking the second approach but I think the third is also acceptable, and since this is a consensus-based project, that's probably what we'll do.

Regarding creation of articles on Israeli towns and villages: I've been taking it slow. I assume or at least hope that the בוט יישובים קטנים that was used on Hebrew Wikipedia could be modified for English, but I'm not going to create loads of one-sentence stubs that I can't fix up into decent articles. I'm translating articles from Hebrew Wikipedia one at a time. Given a couple of years I can get to all of them, but with effective collaboration we can finish the job much faster.

By the way, I'm not Israeli, though I hope to become Israeli someday. For the foreseeable future (i.e. the next five years) I expect to remain in the United States. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 02:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

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