Talk:Kim Jong Un

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Latest comment: 1 month ago by Jack Upland in topic Should we say he's a dictator in the lede?

Should we say he's a dictator in the lede? edit

In other articles for dictators like Hitler and Mussolini, the first sentence states "X was a dictator of _____ from _ to _". They do not use the official title for these leaders, like Fuhrer or Duce, since these titles are self-appointed and are specific, but not as informative as dictator when it comes to describing the absolute authority they held. Kim is indisputably a dictator with absolute power of his country, so shouldn't we also refer to him as a dictator in the first sentence? I think we should. Woozybydefault (talk) 18:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

We have discussed this before. He is not "indisputably a dictator". Some scholars question how much power he actually has.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
What scholars? Woozybydefault (talk) 23:52, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
See, for example, [1].--Jack Upland (talk) 23:57, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wouldn't encourage it, no. Better to use specific language regarding concentration of power or the like. JArthur1984 (talk) 00:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
He is literally a communist dictator. Why would that not be mentioned. DanRayy (talk) 14:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
On arguments about "literally", see the comment and link by Jack Upland above. More broadly, we already have plenty of characterizations which address concentration of power in the lead. We have "supreme leader," "rules" North Korea, "totalitarian", etc. JArthur1984 (talk) 14:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
DanRayy (talk) 14:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Don't think Kim gives much of a fuck, either. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
DanRayy Now blocked, yes (by the way Kim is a dictator). Slatersteven (talk) 14:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
And who do you think you are, Adolf? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Kim is a dictator. It's absurd that this article tries to say otherwise, and also has "Respected Comrade" in the infobox. DocZach (talk) 04:17, 23 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
The avoidance is not specific to this article; it's a policy of careful tip-toeing called MOS:LABEL. Also, "Respected Comrade" is Kim Jong Un's official title. It's not the article or an editor literally calling him a respectable comrade. It's like how in Canada we call our senators "The Honourable". Yue🌙 06:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Then why doesn't Queen Elizabeth II's article say "Her Majesty", or any of the Supreme Court Justices have "His Honor" or "Her Honor?" DocZach (talk) 08:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Elizabeth II's article does say "Head of the Commonwealth" in the same spot in the infobox. Toughpigs (talk) 23:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think Wikipedia spends too much time with the various titles bestowed on North Korean leaders, more so than the media of North Korea does, I believe.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:39, 24 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Missing IPA of the Korean pronunciation of the name edit

In the articles about his father and grandfather, there are IPA transcriptions of their names, but there is none here. 62.73.69.121 (talk) 10:24, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2024 edit

Replace {{family name hatnote}}, then place with {{family name footnote}} in the lead sentence. 103.119.55.216 (talk) 12:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Done
Urro[talk][edits] ⋮ 17:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply