Talk:Kawela Bay, Hawaii

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

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Kawela Bay, Hawai'i → Kawela Bay, Hawaii — state has no Apostrophe.

There is no apostrophe in the state name, as per WP:Manual of Style (Hawaii-related articles). Please move to Kawela Bay, Hawaii. It looks like this was left-over from 2005 when conventions were evidently different. W Nowicki (talk) 00:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• Support per nom --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 03:08, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
• Support – is there any reason the article could not be moved to Kawela Bay, i.e. precise but only as precise as is needed (WP:Precision). Green Giant (talk) 05:20, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Yes; see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#United States. Powers ^T 13:40, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
    • Being consistently named with similar articles per such guidelines is only one of the five main criteria listed at WP:TITLE; we need to try to meet the other criteria too. In this case there is a conflict, but the more concise name meets more of the criteria. See below. --Born2cycle (talk) 19:34, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
  • To clarify, the article is mostly census information, and the convention for CDPs is to append the state. Also it made me realize that there is at least one more Kawela in Hawaii with an article, so I added a hatnote. And for that matter, there is no Kawela, Hawaii yet. Maybe that should be a disambig page pointing to the two that already exist? The other article uses the NRHP name, since does not seem to be a CDP. The GNIS has 22 entries for "Kawela" in Hawaii (including gultches, streams, summits, etc.) but the CDP is "Kawela Bay". Also of course the GNIS has neither apostrophe nor ʻokina in the state name. W Nowicki (talk) 16:51, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
• Support move. I'm with Green Giant... 1st choice for destination is Kawela Bay, which already redirects here indicating primacy. While Kawela Bay, Hawaii is consistent with current U.S. naming guidelines cited above, consistency with similar articles is only one of the criteria to consider. Kawela Bay meets the other criteria at WP:TITLE better: it's more concise, natural and is "only as precise as necessary"; Kawela Bay, Hawaii is more precise than necessary. --Born2cycle (talk) 19:49, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment Support Why shouldn't the article be moved to Kawela Bay instead? Per above. Rehman 02:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Didn't we just go over that? Powers ^T 13:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Alright, for some reason, the text above did not show (or I was blind) when I made the comment via my notebook. ;) I support the current move. Kind regards. Rehman 13:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I would be fine with just Kawela Bay too, as long as some CDP purist does not move it back to include the state name and be consistent with all the other CDPs in the US. Perhaps adding more about the bay itself might help. And presume there would be no objection to the disambig page mentioned above? W Nowicki (talk) 17:53, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.