Talk:Joseph Tetley

"Fraudster"?

This article refers to the person as a "fraudster", but the content of the article does not in any way support that appellation. 72.66.107.22 (talk) 08:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I've added further details to the article. tl;dr He conned a few people into investing a lot of money into his business ventures and used that money to borrow even more money (via unsecured loans) - and then pulled an exit scam, leaving New Zealand with all the cash, and leaving his investors and creditors a few thousand pounds out of pocket (a few million nowadays, accounting for inflation), and with no means for them to track him down to get their money back. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 16:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure this is the best disambiguation method. Sure, BLP doesn't apply, but it's odd that he's done about half a dozen encyclopedic things, and we picked the worst one to be the disambiguator. There are only 2 people listed in Joseph Tetley, and one goes by Joe. Shouldn't this article be named Joseph Tetley, and in lieu of a DAB page, just use hatnotes on each page? Floquenbeam (talk) 18:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Schwede66: who, in an edit summary during the move to this name, said they'd be open to discussing other disambiguations. Floquenbeam (talk) 18:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

At the risk of over-pinging, also pinging the article creator, @Hugo999:, and @Generalissima:, who moved the page away from this name a while ago, but was reverted. I'll stop pinging now! Floquenbeam (talk) 18:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

@Floquenbeam I think just Joseph Tetley (or distinguishing by middle initial) would be okay. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 18:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

We do not disambiguate by middle name or initial, Generalissima. I’m not sure why I even introduced a disambiguator; Joe is different to Joseph. I suggest we move the disambiguation page to Joseph Tetley (disambiguation) and then nuke the disambiguator from this page. Schwede66 19:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

@Schwede66: We disambiguate when the commonly used name contains an initial or middle name. See Joseph Smith vs Joseph C. Smith vs Joseph B. Smith. I however agree that a disambiguation isn't necessary here. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

No, we absolutely do not do that unless that’s the common name. It’s very typical for that to be used for North Americans, and I note that both of your examples are US citizens. You can find the relevant guidance at WP:COMMONNAME. Schwede66 20:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I've moved the dab page and this one. Schwede66 23:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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• ... that Joseph Tetley, a member of the New Zealand Legislative Council, defrauded several investors to the 2017 value of NZ$7 million?

• Source: The Prow, a website run by several New Zealand libraries, says: "Adjusted to 2017 rates, Tetley ran off with under $7,000,000 NZD." And the same source mentions the appointment to the Legislative Council.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ōsakishimojima
• Comment: Right, so this has just been on the main page as a minor link and got attention by 12 editors during the 24 hours on DYK (which is quite a bit for a New Zealand topic). The major expansion during that period was by HotMess. I've done some more expansion since and it's gone from 753 bytes of readable prose (prior to 17 June when expansion started) to 4753 bytes; more than the required 5x expansion.

And whilst we do have a mugshot for the subject, it's of poor quality and thus not worth including in this nomination.

5x expanded by Schwede66 (talk) and HotMess (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 146 past nominations.

Schwede66 06:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC).

• Reviewing now. Aszx5000 (talk) 14:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good to go. Aszx5000 (talk) 14:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

• 👀👀👀 (this is mildly exciting) 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 02:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Found a potential lead to help fill in some of the currently unknown info about Tetley

So, I was looking for some more info about when exactly he was born, and I found this with some info about him and his family: https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~janej/genealogy/Tetley/Tetley-o/p20.htm#i847. It has some info about when he was born, when he married, and a few other notes about him - only problem is that this source is a self-published genealogy website. However, it might be worth looking closer into those claims, try to find reliable sources for the birth/marriage date claims, and then (if there's reliable evidence) add reliable citations to the article. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 14:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I've been to the library and Hustlers, rogues &​ bubble boys: white-collar mischief in New Zealand will be there for me in a few days' time. Let's see how much background that book has. Schwede66 03:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)