Talk:John Doe (Seven)

Serial Killer

According to the definition on wiki, Doe is not a serial killer. He has no history of murder, up until Gluttony. Only torture tendency with Sloth. The only murder not planed was the 6th murder, the unborn child. Sorry this is ruff, its my first work on wiki, this and the baby edit to Murder of Wrath.

The Murder of Wrath

All seven of the Deadly Sins was covered by the film, but only six of them were punished by death. The gluttenous man was force fed until he exploded; the greedy man was bled to death from a wound he was made to cut; the slothful man was tortured for a year, but kept alive in agony; the lustful woman had her genitals sliced up with a knife; the proud woman was marred, suiciding out of shame; and the envious man was shot by the very man he admired. As John Doe put it "every sin was turned against the sinner". But what of wrath? Detective Mills had his wife and unborn child murdered. This was his primary motivation for killing Doe, but was it also his punishment? Was the punishment of wrath to have your love ones die, while you remain alive in brooding hatred? Is wrath itself the punishment? Either way, Mills was the only sinner to remain alive. This needs to be adressed in the analysis and discussion of Doe's article. It is a fundemental aspect in interpreting his "masterpiece", and understanding him as one of literature's most interesting villains. I have have 3 theories on the matter: (1) that living in wrath is a greater punishment than death; (2) that Mill's was punished by the death of his loved ones; or (3) Mill's will be so shattered that he will commit suicide. I think the third theory is the most likely. --Dark_Wolf101 12:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Nah, I disagree. I think theories 1 and 2 are more likely, although all of the theories fit together in a certain way. I believe myself 1 and 2 would be the greatest punishment. If anyone else could contribute more to this article it would be greatly appreciated. PhearOTD (talk) 23:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Miss count, He didn't kill sloth, but he did kill a child knowingly.

The Innocence of Lust?

Was the prostitute really a sinner, at least in the extreme circumstances that John Doe's other victims were. She was killed by having her genitals sliced up (from the inside) by the blade of a knife, wielded by her client at the orders of Doe. She was killed because she commited the sin of lust. But ironically, it was her client, the man who paid to have sex with her, that was lustful. She was, in effect, only doing her job, and it is doubtful that she harboured any physical attractions to her clients. Yet, she was selected by Doe for brutal murder. This lends credibility to the idea that Doe possessed a level of mysogonism; blaming the woman for luring innocent men into her lair to be corrupted. This aspect of Doe's killings should probably be explored in this article. --Dark_Wolf101 12:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Still, he didn't seem to show any other sign of misogyny apart from this, and even then it is debatable whether his act was truly sexist. Although he did seem to blame the prostitute personally for tempting men, near the end of the film he referred to her as a "disease spreading whore", but I don't recall him showing any hatred of women in general. 66.24.235.78 23:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Cmon

Don't delete it.

Cmon

Why don't you want this article deleted? WadeSimMiser (talk) 00:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

This "article" should obviously be deleted, because it is not really an article at all, but an essay. Well written, interesting- but an essay nonetheless. Yes, tell us!

Johnathan Doe?

Erm... doesnt the guy who wrote this what the "John Doe" name stands for?. It's not like his mother calls him Johnathan Francis Doe when she is mad, John Doe means that he is unidentified.--99.192.63.121 (talk) 17:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)