Talk:Côte d'Ivoire/Archive 8

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Sentence partially supported by the cited source

The following sentence is only partially supported by the cited source: In the 21st century, the Ivorian economy still relies heavily on agriculture, with smallholder cash-crop production predominating.

The source says Cote d'Ivoire is heavily dependent on agriculture and related activities, which engage roughly two-thirds of the population. The source does not use the phrase "cash crops", but it talks about cocoa beans... coffee and palm oil, which are cash crops, so the phrase is supported.

I do not see how the source supports "smallholder" in smallholder cash-crop production predominating.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:01, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Move to Côte d'Ivoire

Not for nothing but did any of the above editors in the above votes actually look at the relevant data?

Per Google Ngram, Côte d'Ivoire is the WP:COMMON WP:ENGLISH name of the place now and has been for several years. — LlywelynII 23:59, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

The reasoning given by many of the above commenters seemed to be to oppose the move on principle simply because of the government decree, with the assumption that "Ivory Coast" must of course be the most common name. It's arrogant, not supported by the evidence, and exactly the kind of rubbish that we used to see at articles on Chinese topics with Pinyin. It's pretty disheartening to see. Theknightwho (talk) 17:39, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I suspect the best course of action is not call for a new request to change until July/August, but, in the meantime improve notes e and f and prepare your arguments. Emphasize what weighty news sources like The Economist or academic style guides recommend using it (but find good references). I note the relatively recent move of Kiev → Kyiv might give some insights. --Erp (talk) 03:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Just throwing in my two cents having come here on the back of recommending that Turkey be moved to Türkiye - we should respect a country's right to determine their own name. Felixsv7 (talk) 09:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

That argument will be needed to be taken up at Wikipedia talk:Article titles, not here. CMD (talk) 09:27, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

We should honestly revive this if possible. AG202 (talk) 13:47, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Googling Côte d'Ivoire yields about 206,000,000 results, Googling Ivory Coast yields about 167,000,000 results. This might not be expert linguists research or anything, but this is another very simple indicator that Côte d'Ivoire is now the common name as well as the preferred name. 75.164.37.9 (talk) 05:37, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

It's certainly a helpful glistening sign as to which of the two is more popular, but regardless, an ebb back to Côte d'Ivoire will require a discussion vote (proposal? discourse? RFQ? debate? What do they call the voting discussion things here...), as the original flow towards the English name of "Ivory Coast" was the result of one of those. From what I can tell, "Côte d'Ivoire" is omnipresent in governmental websites and academic organizations, but much more droughted in mainstream media, where "Ivory Coast" has more of a presence. Do-Droppy (talk) 13:37, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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Traditions

maybe u could add the cultural things they do 79.68.148.4 (talk) 11:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Could you condense that question into something more specific? "Cultural" is a big umbrella term that can contain many different drops of ideas in it. Do you mean recreational things that formed in Turkiye, that later dribbled down into other countries? Do-Droppy (talk) 12:55, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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Requesting for this page to be moved to Côte d'Ivoire on 4/23, 2023

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• Ivory Coast to Côte d'Ivoire

There are some reasons why it should be moved to Côte d'Ivoire:

• Côte d'Ivoire is more commonly used than Ivory Coast.

• It's true name is in French.

• The government of the Republic of the Ivory Coast requested to the international community in 10/1985 that Côte d'Ivoire should be used as the official name of the coastal country in all languages.

Thanks! I wish page could get moved. 108.88.82.1 (talk) 17:12, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

1) Proof? 2) The true name of my country is in English, but you don't see me complaining about it being translated for the French wiki, 3)So? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 20:32, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

"Ivory Coast or Côte d’Ivoire?" by ECA International and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ivory_Coast/Archive_7#Requested_move_26_January_2022 108.88.82.1 (talk) 01:21, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Was there supposed to be a point to this post? Because an article that admits that Ivory Coast's request is rather odd and a link to discussio that decided against your position don't really help your case.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 05:21, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - I usually see Ivory Coast which is the translation in English. I haven't noticed anything recent to change this dynamic and what the country calls itself really doesn't matter. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:45, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
  • In Favor - While "Ivory Coast" used to be far more popular, looking at Google Ngram, Cote d'Ivoire is now FAR more popular - in the international development community I never hear "Ivory Coast." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chasewmitchell (talk • contribs) 15:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

No it's not. You did not capitalize "Ivory Coast" in the Ngrams seach you linked, which completely invalidates the results. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:55, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

True... if you flip it around and not capitalize côte d'Ivoire you'd get odd results the other way. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:35, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

@Fyunck(click) @Rreagan007 If you compare them fairly, by capitalising both, then Côte d'Ivoire is still in the lead. Theknightwho (talk) 17:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

• Comment there's a list at the top of the page of all the times this has been discussed before. What has changed in the past year that should reverse that decision to leave it as is? SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:11, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

As has been discussed many times before, including a year ago, the WP:COMMONNAME remains Ivory Coast. Sources such as the BBC, CNN, FIFA, and France 24 continue to use Ivory Coast, not Côte d'Ivoire. While the Olympics does use Côte d'Ivoire in an official capacity, sources reporting on it^[1][2][3] are still using the English name.

For that reason, as has been the case the last 8 times this was proposed, I oppose this change. Wikipedia's job is not to document things as they officially are, but how they actually are in the modern English-speaking world.
-Asheiou (they/them • talk) 15:49, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

• Agree: I agree to change Ivory Coast into Côte d'Ivoire because :
  • it is the official name in English according to the standard ISO 3166-1, see https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#search/code/ (visible on the page 3).
  • it is the official name at the United Nations, see the list of official members in English on this page https://press.un.org/en/2006/org1469.doc.htm
  • wikipedia pages should only use official names of countries, with a declination of the usual names, not the contrary.

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.215.65.24 (talk) 18:15, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not use official names for article titles, we use the most common name English language name. See WP:COMMONNAME and WP:USEENGLISH. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:53, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose any move. This was thoroughly debated and discussed in a formal RM proposal a year ago and nothing has changed since then. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:51, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support based on this Google Ngram. The oppose votes seem to be ignoring the fact that the common name argument actually supports the move. Theknightwho (talk) 17:50, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

  Support per Theknightwho. AG202 (talk) 14:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  Support per Knight. CitationsFreak (talk) 15:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  Support per Knight. Also, is the "Ivory Coast" link supposed to go to the women's national football team? Do-Drop (talk) 22:37, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• Opposed should be left at a title where people can actually find it....and the title where they can actually research things.Moxy- 23:03, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

  How is this relevant when redirects are cheap? Theknightwho (talk) 03:28, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

  Google search Moxy- 03:45, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose (I don't think this is an official RM but I'll still comment) as per WP:COMMONNAME. In the English speaking world, Ivory Coast is still used predominantly (BBC, ESPN, Sky) and probabably will continue to do so. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 04:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

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