Talk:Italian Campaign of 1796–1797

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• ... that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 helped Napoleon Bonaparte establish himself as a general? Source: https://www.thoughtco.com/napoleon-and-the-italian-campaign-1221692
• ... that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 demonstrated that Napoleon Bonaparte was a "great strategist"? Source: https://www.napoleon.org/en/young-historians/napodoc/timeline-consulate1st-french-empire/
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  • Comment: This is a translated article. The only issue I have personally encountered is citations, which I am currently working out.

Created by Sir MemeGod (talk) (translator) and 151.82.192.215 (talk) (who made the Italian page). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC).

• I screwed up the nomination template, can someone please correct. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Fixed. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 17:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• @Sir MemeGod: a few things need straightening out here:
• There are a lot of Harvard errors in the citations and referencing. If you haven't already, I suggest installing this script to catch and fix them.
• The two sources cited here are not really up to the bar of WP:RS. We need published works, ideally in print, by people acknowledged as experts in their field. Fortunately, Napoleon is not short of people who have written good academic work about him.
• The hooks need to be explicitly stated within the article itself: neither of these two seem to be.

I would suggest giving the article a fix for the citations, and then looking for two or three good facts from within it for which you have good sources already cited. I notice you've written that it's a translation, so make sure that these are from works that you can access to verify the citation. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 13:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• Okay, I will work to fix the issues addressed by later today, and will get back to you once everything is done. Thanks for the review! Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  • @User:UndercoverClassicist I can't, for the life of me, figure out how to fix the "HarvNoTarget" error. I can fix the other issues though, and have already placed the hooks in the article. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
    • No Target Errors mean that there isn't a unique reference defined with that ID. For example, you have two references defined as Chandler2006, so any link pointing to that will show an error. The simple way to fix this is to make one Chandler 2006a and the other Chandler 2006b. I've seen the additions to the article, but would encourage you to read what I said about sourcing: this webpage is not a quality academic source. Honestly, I think there's more specific and more interesting material for hooks in the article anyway: can you come up with a couple that are cited to good-quality sources? UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Sure, here's a few I came up with:

1. "...that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 ended with the Treaty of Campo Formio?"
1b. Source: https://www.britannica.com/event/Treaty-of-Campo-Formio#:~:text=Treaty%20of%20Campo%20Formio%2C%20(October,Napoleon%20Bonaparte's%20first%20Italian%20campaign.
2. "...that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 was led by Napoleon?" (Kind of generic, I know)
2b. Source: https://www.worldhistory.org/Napoleon's_Italian_Campaign/
2c. Source:https://www.pbs.org/empires/napoleon/n_war/campaign/page_1.html#:~:text=First%20Italian%20Campaign%2C%201796%2D97,Piedmontese%2C%20then%20conquer%20each%20separately. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 15:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• I'd also have one about the campaign being Napoleon's first major campaaign (which it was), but I can't find an RS for it. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 15:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• To add one more thing, I figured out how to fix the harverror and now it is clean. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 15:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  • We need hooks that are going to be interesting or unknown to most readers -- I'm not sure either of those two really pass that muster. Did anything interesting, exciting, surprising or consequential happen during (or as a result of) the campaigns? Can you find citations that are printed books, ideally in academic presses? UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
    • I do have one more that does have reliable sources behind it, and was interesting (at least to me) when I first read about it.

• ALT0" Did you know... that Napoleon defeated the Sardinian army in just two weeks at Montenotte and Mondovì as part of the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797?"

Sources (which I've checked WP:RS/PS for reliability):
1. https://www.pbs.org/empires/napoleon/n_war/campaign/page_1.html (passes WP:RS/PS)
2. https://www.britannica.com/event/French-revolutionary-wars/Campaign-in-Italy (there is no consensus, but the information is non-controversial, so it should be fine)
Also, printed books shouldn't be a requirement, if it's stated from a RS then it should be fine. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• They're not a requirement, but most of the websites you had been citing weren't good RSs for historical information -- I think Britannica is fine; PBS is acceptable but not great for history: we can trust their integrity, but they don't claim any real academic expertise or credibility. I think the most recent ALT (which I've labelled ALT0) is good; I've taken the liberty of making some minor edits for concision and markup. Hook is in the article, but the reference doesn't quite check: PBS give the two week figure as the combined total for Montenotte and Mondovi. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Issue has been fixed, I just added "Mondovi" to the hook and to the article. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 17:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Lovely stuff. A few copyright issues:

• File:Paintings of Napoleon I on the battlefield.jpg needs a US PD tag.
• So does File:Renault - André Masséna, duc de Rivoli, prince d'Essling, maréchal de France (1756-1817).jpg
• So does File:Rampon Monte Legino.jpg
• So does File:Il generale Bonaparte dopo la vittoria di Montenotte.jpg
• So does File:Myrbach-Battle of Lodi.jpg
• So does File:Victor Adam - Battle of Castiglione - 1836.jpg
• So does File:Bataille de Rivoli ag1.jpg
• So does File:Archdukecharles1.jpg
• So does File:Örebroporträttet.jpg
• So does File:Bonaparte di Edouard Detaille.jpg, and it also needs better source information.
• So does File:Johann Peter Beaulieu.jpg

Not strictly required, but as we're going to be directing many readers from the main page to this article, it would be good to have alt text on the images for the benefit of blind people using screen readers. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 18:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• I will add the alt text for all the images shortly. I may be able to add the PD-US templates to the images within the next hour, but if not, I'll just ask for someone else to do it (Commons sometimes doesn't work on my device). Thanks! Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 18:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• All alt-texts for the images have been added. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 18:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  • And, for the grand finale, all PD-US-EXPIRED templates have been added. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 21:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
    • @UndercoverClassicist: Everything has been fixed. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Request new reviewer, reviewer has not responded in 4 days. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Happy to respect that request, though I note for the future reviewer that the source information on File:Bonaparte di Edouard Detaille.jpg is still insufficient. Good luck with the nomination. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)