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The picture in the article shows two wrestler in a situation which I believe are very unusual for a glima match because one westler has head down and feet up and the other only holding with one hand. I think the one there was before was better but a picture showing one of the regular throws for example "snedglima a lofti" (maybe I spell it wrong) would be perfect. Kinamand (talk) 16:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
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Reliable sources editÞorsteinn Einarsson was Iceland’s inspector for sports and traditional games between 1941 and 1981. That, in and of itself, makes him a credible source good enough for this Wikipedia article. As Iceland’s inspector for sports and traditional games, with the job of collecting all information about the country's history of sport, makes him a more than credible source. A document about the history of glima in Iceland by this man, who was for 40 years Iceland’s inspector for sports and traditional games, makes him a more than credible source. That as he wrote a document about the different forms of glima in "Glima the Icelandic wrestling", which was used by the Olympic Committee of Iceland and presented to the International Olympic Committee in 1984, makes it a more than credible source. In his document, used by the Olympic Committee of Iceland, this short history of Icelandic glima confirms and gives credibilty to the information about glima on the Wikipedia page. Stop deleting this very valuable information about all forms of glima from Wikipedia. If you want to promote Icelandic glima, work on an Icelandic glima Wikipedia page. You can use Þorsteinn Einarsson's document, used by the Olympic Committee of Iceland, as source material.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.208.98 (talk) 15:12, 3 September 2018 (UTC) Glima article editI am engaging here because I am an authority in martial arts. I have taught all forms of glima for almost 30 years. What most people editing this page refer to is Icelandic glima, and instead of working on an Icelandic glima Wikipedia page, they take out all information about glima that is not related to Icelandic glima. One of the foremost authorities in Iceland, Þorsteinn Einarsson, who was Iceland’s inspector for sports and traditional games between 1941 and 1981, wrote about the different forms of glima in "Glima the Icelandic wrestling". This document was presented to the International Olympic Committee by the Olympic Committee of Iceland in 1984. http://www.glima.is/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Glima-the-icelandic-wrestling-a-brief-history.pdf In the heading to the document "Glima the Icelandic wrestling", it is stated that glima is "An ancient form of wrestling developed from the types of combat brought to Iceland by its settlers in the Viking Age and practiced by their descendants for 11 centuries. This document, written by the man who was Iceland’s inspector for sports and traditional games for 40 years, covers glima and its use in warfare, combat, daily life, pleasure, play and competition. The document by Einarsson covers how Icelandic glima was developed, the differences from the other forms of glima and its origins, and the connection between glima and the Icelandic law books which are covered in the glima Wikipedia information. I think it would be a good idea if the people editing valuable information from this page read Einarsson’s document, and several of the other relevant documents regarding the history of glima.
Either you can't see that you are not objective, or you try to make others believe that. You delete relevant information, yet keep putting in irrelevant information. You delete relevant information and turn it into a page about Icelandic glima. For example, instead of the heading History of glima, you change it to History of glima in Iceland. The names of every person who won 1 specific type of glima competition in Iceland is not relevant here. Create a page about Icelandic glima and put that information there. (talk) 3 September 2018 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.208.98 (talk) 10:56, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
As far as I can see, whatever the disagreements regarding this article, which have been taken up in talk, the glima page was gradually moving forward. Revisions to names and dates have now been changed back to the contended name and incorrect date (see Viking wrestling and Jonsbok) The last change by Ad Orientem has turned the page back to a Promotional page for Icelandic glima. The title "History of glima" has now been changed to "History of glima in Iceland." The only organization is now the Icelandic one, and the Norwegian Glima Association which has held the national Norwegian Glima Championship since 2012 has been deleted. It now has the names of ALL winners of only 1 type of Icelandic glima competition. These names are irreleveant and belong only on an Icelandic glima page about that competition. The page now has all the competitors for a single 2008 unofficall Danish glima competition, but the names of the winners of the official Norwegian glima championship have been deleted. This is not progress. It is ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.208.98 (talk) 15:06, 4 September 2018 (UTC) Untitled editNordic Wrestling Glíma Old Norse, “glimpse” or “flash”. Old Norse leikfang “wrestling; a plaything”, compare leikur to “a game”. Wrestling became very popular to the Norse; it was a contest not only of strength and endurance but was also seen as training. To win you must drop throw the opponent to the ground or lift him up and drop him on anything but on his feet. It was practiced by both men and women from all classes, from one-on-one duels to team competitions. Viking wrestling was divided into: Glima – Throwing down your opponent. Råbryting, Raw wrestling is like Glima but includes pinning the opponent down. Water wrestling - A wrestling match in the water. Death: Fanghella Glima was a very dangerous sport, some even dying in the process. "Whosoever participates in a contest of friendly wrestling or hide-tugging does so on his own responsibility" - Jonsbok At the center of the wrestling field there was a stone called a fanghella, this stone could be used to both flatten the opponent down on their back or to break it: “Over his shirt, Búi put on a wrestling jacket, fangastakkur, that helped protect him from broken bones. As his opponent forced him back on to the stone, Búi jumped backwards over it, and he pulled the man down onto the stone. Búi jumped onto his back, breaking his ribs on the stone and killing him.” - Kjalnesinga saga, Chapter 15 Another saga tells a similar story, in which Gunnar pulled his opponent forward across the stone, splitting him open: “They struggled across the field until Gunnar’s feet touched the slab of stone, when he released his hold, took the blámanninum by both shoulders and leaped over the stone backwards. As he did so, Gunnar jerked the blámanninum towards himself so suddenly that he split in half across the stone.” - Gunnars saga Keldugnúpsfífls, Chapter 7 In the Prose Edda: Gylfaginning After losing a drinking match, Thor requests a wrestling match: “Then said Thor: ‘Little as ye call me, let anyone come up now and wrestle with me; now I am angry.’ Then Útgarda-Loki answered, looking about him on the benches, and spake: ‘I see no such man here within, who would not hold it a disgrace to wrestle with thee;’ and yet he said: ‘Let us see first; let the old woman my nurse be called hither, Elli, and let Thor wrestle with her if he will. She has thrown such men as have seemed to me no less strong than Thor.’ Straightway there came into the hall an old woman, stricken in years. Then Útgarda-Loki said that she should grapple with Ása-Thor. There is no need to make a long matter of it: that struggle went in such wise that the harder Thor strove in gripping, the faster she stood; then the old woman essayed a hold, and then Thor became totty on his feet, and their tuggings were very hard. Yet it was not long before Thor fell to his knee, on one foot. Then Útgarda-Loki went up and bade them cease the wrestling, saying that Thor should not need to challenge more men of his body-guard to wrestling.” - Prose Edda: Gylfaginning It is later explained to Thor that the old woman who he had wrestled with was ‘Old Age’ itself, a thing that not even the gods are immune to: “It was also a great marvel concerning the wrestling-match, when thou didst withstand so long; and didst not fall more than on one knee, wrestling with Elli; since none such has ever been and none shall be, if he become so old as to abide “Old Age,” that she shall not cause him to fall.” - Prose Edda: Gylfaginning http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/daily_living/text/games_and_sports.htm http://sciencenordic.com/how-vikings-killed-time http://www.viking-glima.com/history.html http://mixedmartialworld.com/wrestle-like-a-viking/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.149.206.153 (talk) 09:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
http://www.vikingmartialarts.com/glima/2017/1/15/a-history-of-glima-by-tyr-neilsen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.208.98 (talk) 12:48, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Glima - 1200 years old martial art system? editThe article says that glima is a martial art system but its only source is the story of Thor's visit to Útgarða-Loki. In the wikipedia article about Elli it says: The story of Thor's visit to Útgarða-Loki is only related in the Prose Edda and, unusually, Snorri does not quote any old poems to support it. His sources for the story are unknown and it has been suggested that he largely composed it himself.. And in the versions of the story I have found dont use the word glima but wrestling or that Thor is dancing with Elli or it is written as this: Því næst gekk í höllina kerling ein gömul. Þá mælti Útgarða-Loki, at hon skal taka fang við Ása-þór. Ekki er langt um að gera. Svá fór fang þat, at því harðara er Þórr knúðist at fanginu, því fastara stóð hon.. Notice that it dont use the word glima but fang which means to grip. I can not see how people from that story can conclude that glima is an 1200 years old martial art system. Kinamand (talk) 15:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Information regarding history of Glima, including original name and when the name glima appears: http://www.vikingmartialarts.com/glima/2017/1/15/a-history-of-glima-by-tyr-neilsen
Sourcing editI comment because of the invitation at WP:FTN. An obvious problem that I see (with both versions) is sourcing. As someone who doesn't know about the topic (and I'm not sure that glima.is is a reliable source in this context, it seems primary), it's difficult to know what are the facts without secondary/tertiary sources. I do find the current (Óli Gneisti's revision) more plausible, however. Since there's no attempt to communicate and form consensus by the IP address editor, I support the current version and will add the article to my watchlist. If disruptive editing persists, I recommend asking for semi-protection at WP:RFPP. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 21:51, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Source material editThis whole article seems very dubious and most of it needs to be rewritten. In truth the whole tone of it seems more in line with 19th century romantic nationalism that modern day views. --Óli Gneisti (talk) 10:54, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
One of the foremost authorities in Iceland, Þorsteinn Einarsson, who was Island’s inspector for sports and traditional games between 1941 and 1981, wrote about the different forms of glima in "Glima the Icelandic wrestling". This document was presented to the International Olympic Committee by the Olympic Committee of Iceland in 1984. http://www.glima.is/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Glima-the-icelandic-wrestling-a-brief-history.pdf In the heading to the document "Glima the Icelandic wrestling", it is stated that glima is "An ancient form of wrestling developed from the types of combat brought to Iceland by its settlers in the Viking Age and practiced by their descendants for 11 centuries. This document, written by the man who was Island’s inspector for sports and traditional games for 40 years, covers glima and its use in warfare, combat, daily life, pleasure, play and competition. The document by Einarsson covers how Icelandic glima was developed, the differences from the other forms of glima and its origins, and the connection between glima and the Icelandic law books which are covered in the glima Wikipedia information. I think it would be a good idea if the people editing valuable information from this page read Einarsson's document, and several of the other relevant documents regarding the history of glima.
What you are talking about is Icelandic Glima. And then, only 1 form of Icelandic glima, belt-grip glima. There is much information about the different forms of glima such as the Icelandic scource "Glima the Icelandic wrestling" by Þorsteinn Einarsson http://www.glima.is/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Glima-the-icelandic-wrestling-a-brief-history.pdf Also "History of Martial Arts in Iceland" by J Bjarnason Or the article on the history of Glima by T. Neilsen who is President of the Norwegian Glima Association https://www.vikingmartialarts.com/glima/2017/1/15/a-history-of-glima-by-tyr-neilsen Why not start a Wikipedia page about Icelandic Glima ? Just make sure you include the other forms of glima too.
GLIMA AND ICELANDIC GLIMA - CREDIBLE SOURCES Þorsteinn Einarsson was Iceland’s inspector for sports and traditional games between 1941 and 1981. That, in and of itself, makes him a credible source good enough for this Wikipedia article. As Iceland’s inspector for sports and traditional games, with the job of collecting all information about the country's history of sport, makes him a more than credible source. A document about the history of glima in Iceland by this man, who was for 40 years Iceland’s inspector for sports and traditional games, makes him a more than credible source. That as he wrote a document about the different forms of glima in "Glima the Icelandic wrestling", which was used by the Olympic Committee of Iceland and presented to the International Olympic Committee in 1984, makes it a more than credible source. Stop deleting this very valuable information about all forms of glima from Wikipedia. If you want to promote Icelandic glima, work on an Icelandic glima Wikipedia page. You can use Þorsteinn Einarsson's document, used by the Olympic Committee of Iceland, as source material.
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