Talk:Engel Nawatiseb

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Narutolovehinata5 talk 07:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Engel Nawatiseb left the Landless People's Movement only one month after joining?

• Source: "Former Deputy Minister of Information and Communication Technology Engel Nawatiseb has parted ways with the Landless People’s Movement (LPM) after joining the party a mere month ago." -[1]

• ALT1: ... that Engel Nawatiseb left the Landless People's Movement due to disagreements about who should drive during the party's fifth anniversary celebration? Source: "The source further claimed that these party members felt threatened by Nawatiseb’s position in the party. “People felt why is it only Nawatiseb driving the car and not them?” the source said. Following the complaints, the party allegedly took the car from Nawatiseb.", and "Another party source said Nawatiseb was insulted by a powerful young leader in the party about the usage of the car. “Apparently he wasn’t sharing the car with others. But once a car is assigned to you, it’s difficult to share, because once it is broken it becomes your responsibility,” another party source said. The source said the car was taken away a day after the party’s fifth anniversary. “On Sunday morning when they took the car, they embarrassed and insulted the man,” the source said." [2]
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Created by Samoht27 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

-Samoht27 (talk) 23:04, 11 September 2024 (UTC).

• I may review this nomination later today, but a quick comment is that while the source goes into detail about why !Nawatiseb was chosen to drive the car, why other party leaders were supposedly upset, and ostensible explanations as to why the car was reassigned, the article itself only talks about !Nawatiseb's embarrassment over the car being taken. I really like the second hook, but the disagreements should be detailed (or at least mentioned explicitly) in the article for the nomination to pass. Yue🌙 17:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Also, I think it should be "a celebration of the party's fifth anniversary", because to my understanding he was to drive for the celebration in a specific part of Namibia, as he was the only person qualified in that area. Yue🌙 17:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: References were spot-checked for verification; no issues arose. Both hooks are verified, but I prefer ALT1. However, I propose to the promoter this rewording of ALT1, which incorporates ALT0:

ALT2: ... that Engel Nawatiseb reportedly left the Landless People's Movement just a month after joining because of disagreements over who should drive during the party's fifth anniversary celebration?

The sources are the two already given. Yue🌙 20:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in, but the article isn't good enough for DYK. At first, I intended to remove the stub tag (we don't run stubs at DYK) but it's arguably still a stub. There is nothing outside of his political career; no early life, education, or what he did before politics. The article therefore fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Secondly, the date and place of birth are both unreferenced and that's a violation of WP:BLP. Thirdly, about half the article deals with controversies and that feels unbalanced; hence it fails WP:NPOV. There's a lot more work required to get this ready. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Schwede66 08:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Samoht27 did you see the above? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

AirshipJungleman29 Yes, I did, I addressed the issues within the article and informed Schwede66 about the changes.-Samoht27 (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, they did, AirshipJungleman29. It’s the last item in my talk page archive 46. I did not understand why the note was not placed here and me being informed via a ping as it hardly makes sense to to start a conversation in a separate place. Either way, I replied that I would leave it to the reviewer to assess. But now I see that the reviewer doesn’t know anything about this as there isn’t anything here about the matter. Which just demonstrates why discussions ought to be kept in one place! Schwede66 16:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

@Schwede66: Is there anything else that needs to happen before this is approved? If not, are you willing to approve this hook, or should we ping the original reviewer? Z1720 (talk) 22:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Z1720, sorry, I failed to reply to you. The reviewer (Yue) needs to looks into this. I haven't reviewed anything other than noticing that something had been given a green tick that looked like a stub (and it turned out to be a stub). I can't sign this off, short of doing a full review. Schwede66 05:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, I am on vacation and cannot do another review. Yue🌙 07:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• New reviewer needed to check over the nominated article for DYK purposes, since this will otherwise time out in a few days. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

@Samoht27: After removing a chunk of negative BLP content per WP:BLPBALANCE this comes in at 1382 characters, and since this has only a couple of days left before it times out I am marking this for closure. I'm very sorry.--Launchballer 12:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer:, if this article was improved to fit the word requirement before the automatic close, would it still be eligible? I think this is very much a topic worthy of DYK. If this is the case, I would gladly work to get this article to that standard. -Samoht27 (talk) 17:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, character requirement really, but sure, so long as you're quick.--Launchballer 17:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Sounds great! I'll get to work soon :-).-Samoht27 (talk) 17:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Just noting that this edit comprised nothing other than "fluff words or repetition" (and in one case, a fluff sentence).--Launchballer 13:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback, please address things like this either on my user talk page or the talk page of the article itself. -Samoht27 (talk) 02:04, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Samoht27: Note that it is now the 10th, meaning WP:DYKTIMEOUT now applies. If you really want the nomination to proceed, please address any remaining issues ASAP, otherwise it will be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:10, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm fine letting this timeout if you'd like. I'll still address issues with the article whether or not it's nominated for DYK. -Samoht27 (talk) 02:04, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Marking for closure as per WP:DYKTIMEOUT. Flibirigit (talk) 02:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)