Talk:TV Rain

(Redirected from Talk:Dozhd)
Latest comment: 1 year ago by Mellk in topic Critismism


edit

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Dozhd. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 13:42, 16 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Who blocked the access in 2022

edit

@Mellk: as a foreigner I have no clue what the name Roskomnadzor is. There is no introduction at all. Since it is an arm of the executive, it is Russian govt. The Moscow Times Headline today says "Russia blocks 2 Independent Media Sites Over War Coverage". Venkat TL (talk) 09:15, 2 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Venkat TL: That's fair enough, but it was specifying the government agency, as the action of the country's censor, as mentioned in Interfax refs. Mellk (talk) 09:18, 2 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
Since Roskomnadzor is not a very widely popular name as CIA or KGB, adding it in the lead without an intro about the org is not ideal. The section below about the event should contain all these details including the name Roskomnadzor and its intro. Venkat TL (talk) 09:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
It could be improved by saying "... the country's censor, Roskomnadzor, blocked access..." but it's a minor issue, current version is fine. Mellk (talk) 09:25, 2 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
This article states that tvrain.ru is blocked, but the website is still available. Watch here: Бои под Киевом.--2003:CF:3F0C:AF57:E5F5:CE44:75E1:9BE9 (talk) 18:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
@2003:CF:3F0C:AF57:E5F5:CE44:75E1:9BE9 The Channel and the Site have been blocked in Russia. You are in Germany so may be you can access it. AFP journalists in Russia verified and confirmed that the sites were not accessible from Russia. It is reported in the Moscow Times article, I quoted. Venkat TL (talk) 18:31, 2 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 21 October 2022

edit
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 17:45, 4 November 2022 (UTC)Reply


DozhdTV Rain – "TV Rain" is the most common name. Links: Official website; YouTube channel. Numbers of Google hits: "Dozhd" "channel"; "TV Rain" "channel". Notice how the search for "Dozhd" brings mostly pages that use "TV Rain" as the primary title. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 04:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

First sentence

edit

I see "Russian-language" label may be opposed[1] due to the existence of TV Rain Newsroom. I think that it does not mean it cannot be described as a Russian-language TV channel/broadcaster since there are no actual broadcasts in English and the website does not have an English version. It seems to just be a couple social media channels in English with relatively limited content. Anyway if "Russian-language" is not good enough, it is still considered to be part of (exiled) Russian media even if no longer based in Russia, at least RS describe it as such, otherwise "independent" looks out of place.[2][3][4][5][6] Tagging @RenatUK. Mellk (talk) 03:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Mellk I am okay with "Russian". Renat 15:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Critismism

edit

The channel has been accused of being "a friendly face of russian imperialism", for supporting the annexation of Crimea. 2003:DD:4F38:359E:7033:5DD5:477F:ACA8 (talk) 19:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Source? Triggerhippie4 (talk) 17:22, 16 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Here: https://twitter.com/bihusinfo/status/1626281286640758789 46.114.38.141 (talk) 18:57, 22 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
I went through the major points they highlighted with the chapters feature.
1. They blame the channel for covering the celebration of the Russian Flag Day in the occupied territories of Ukraine last year. How does that make them imperialistic? TV Rain anchors say that these territories are occupied by Russia right in the video shown.
2. Alexey Korostelev was fired. I think this makes the channel's position clear.
3. Dzyadko's tweet is explained here by himself: twitter.
4. One of the channel's anchors made a photo hugging Anton Krasovsky in 2020. This was when Krasovsky was considered a liberal and before his infamous statements.
5. One of the channel's producers works as a reporter for a Russian fashion channel which is owned by Igor Kesaev, who has connections with the Russian special services. Don't you think that if TV Rain was imperialist, then there would be no need for such a stretch as an example, and there would be more solid examples of their actual coverage?
Please, provide written material from a reliable source next time, so we don't have to sit through this propaganda. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 14:28, 23 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
https://www.fpri.org/article/2022/12/why-did-latvia-ban-dozhd-imperial-legacies-and-national-debates/
I'm not saying what is and isn't true, I'm just saying that Rain TV is controversia, especially in eastern Europe circles, which view the redaction as "diet putinists". 2A02:8108:1640:5282:45:66D2:6897:2EDF (talk) 22:29, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Very narrow circles, maybe. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 23:02, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
If the Latvian goverment is a "narrow circle" to you, then yes. 2A02:3030:817:84EF:1:0:6BEE:57CA (talk) 23:11, 26 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
The Latvian controversy is already described here: TV Rain#Exile and ban in Latvia and Russia. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 07:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Still a fringe view. Mellk (talk) 15:04, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply