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Requested move 6 January 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus has been achieved to rename these pages. Happy Publishing! (closed by page mover)  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  18:34, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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• Disneyland Resort Line → Disneyland Resort line
• East Kowloon Line (1970 scheme) → East Kowloon line (1970 scheme)
• East Rail Line → East Rail line
• Island Line (MTR) → Island line (MTR)
• Kwun Tong Line → Kwun Tong line
• Ma On Shan Line → Ma On Shan line
• South Island Line → South Island line
• South Island Line (West) → South Island line (West)
• Tseung Kwan O Line → Tseung Kwan O line
• Tsuen Wan Line → Tsuen Wan line
• Tung Chung Line → Tung Chung line
• West Rail Line → West Rail line

Decapitalise "line" per WP:NCCAPS. Not sure how South Island Line (West) should be renamed, so I am open to suggestions. feminist (talk) 15:22, 6 January 2018 (UTC) --Relisted.  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  16:17, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Relist comment. Members of WikiProjects Amusement Parks/Disney Task Force, Hong Kong, Disney, Trains and Rapid transit have been notified of this relisted debate.  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  16:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

• ​Ambivalent. There are about three English-language news sources based in Hong Kong which qualify as reliable, none of which seem to have anything resembling a style guideline. They do tend towards capitalizing or using "South Island MTR line" etc.; over 90 percent of "Island Line" or "South Island Line" uses in the South China Morning Post are capitalized and there are no uses of "Island MTR line". About 90 percent of "East Rail Line" uses in news articles have all three words capitalized (even though MTRC just tacked on "Line" to the KCR's "East Rail"); only one news article (also SCMP) uses "East Rail MTR line". Jc86035 (talk) 15:47, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

  Maybe East Rail (MTR) and West Rail (MTR)? Regardless, these two articles will need to be moved/merged in a few years to North South Corridor and East West Corridor (or something like that). feminist (talk) 15:54, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

  ​ I think this would probably be worse since it would be inconsistent and the lines are usually referred to with "Line" AFAIK (regardless of the capitalization guidelines). Jc86035 (talk) 15:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

  I see what you mean (I live in Hong Kong), but the consensus seems to mandate use of lowercase "line" despite "Line" being commonly used in sources. feminist (talk) 16:01, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

  ​ There's no percentage threshold in the guideline but I think it could be somewhat different for mainland China since English isn't an official language and there are even fewer local English-language publications to draw from. There has been at least one RM, for New York City Subway lines, where the RM to de-capitalize "Line" failed. Jc86035 (talk) 16:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

  The New York City Subway is unique in that its services are better known than the actual lines themselves. Whether that's a deal breaker or not is another matter. feminist (talk) 16:31, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

  For what it's worth, the government refers to the rail lines as proper nouns. Here's at least a few places where they're consistent about the style: [1][2][3] Horserice (talk) 22:53, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose: it is a proper noun. If you are decapitalising line you need to also decapitalise resort (i.e. "Disneyland resort line"). jamacfarlane (talk) 00:18, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

  No, by that reasoning every single such article would have capitalized "Line", but years of RMs have consistently gone the other direction. "Disneyland Resort" is the proper name here. "Disneyland Resort line" is a descriptive appellation of a line that goes there.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:34, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NCCAPS, MOS:CAPS, and for WP:CONSISTENCY with the zillion "Line" → "line" RMs that have all concluded for lower case.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:34, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support per WP:NCCAPS, MOS:CAPS, and worldwide line naming conventions (that are still violated in a few places such as the NYC subway system as noted above). The argument "it's a proper name" is vacuous; that's the question, not the answer. As for "Island line", yes, it does appear in some sources without the caps, as in this book where it's "MTR Island line". Dicklyon (talk) 00:21, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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