Talk:Christian Weber (SS general)

pure nonsense

Weber was not killed by "bavarian insurrectionists", whatever that should be. Apparently he died in US Custody, in a road accident in Wurttemberg. --Oenie (talk) 11:54, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved to Christian Weber (SS general), soccer player moved Christian Weber (footballer) and Christian Weber turned into a dab page. Favonian (talk) 19:58, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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Christian Weber (Nazi) → Christian Weber – This should be the primary because it has more than twice as many views as the footballer of the same name. relisting see below Andrewa (talk) 03:03, 24 April 2012 (UTC) Hoops gza (talk) 22:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

• Comment and what would you do with the footballer article? 70.49.124.147 (talk) 01:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
• Comment this is an improperly formatted multimove. 70.49.124.147 (talk) 01:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
• Disambiguate Christian Weber many uses come up [1] ; move the footballer to Christian Weber (footballer) -- 70.49.124.147 (talk) 01:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment: This could be seen as a vote in favour of at least two of the three parts of the alternative proposal, below. Andrewa (talk) 00:56, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. Nowhere near sufficient evidence for an appeal to "primary topic". Noetica^Tea? 03:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
• Comment. Seems pretty clear to me that, with half as many page views, the footballer is not the primary topic. However, I don't think the Nazi is a clear primary topic either, so I'd suggest moving Christian Weber to Christian Weber (footballer) and converting Christian Weber to a dab page (could also list Christian-Weber disease there). On a slightly related note, I dislike using "(Nazi)" as a disambiguator; I'd much prefer something like "(SS general)". Jenks24 (talk) 00:32, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Agree on both points above. Relisting to allow for discussion of this alternative proposal. Andrewa (talk) 03:03, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Alternative proposal

Christian Weber -> Christian Weber (footballer)

Christian Weber (Nazi) -> TBA

Christian Weber to become a three-way disambiguation (including Christian-Weber disease, and more likely in time).

• Support as nom. Heads-up posted at the other affected page [2]. Andrewa (talk) 03:07, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Also support proposal below for Christian Weber (SS general) as the target page title noted as TBA above, and note that Paul Wegener (Nazi) might be similarly renamed, but that's best a matter for another proposal IMO, taking whatever is the result of this one into account of course. Andrewa (talk) 01:06, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
• Support per my comments above, thanks for setting up this alternate proposal, Andrew. On what the Nazi official's disambiguation should be, my preference is for "(SS general)" as there are several articles in Category:SS generals that use that as disambiguation, but I'm open to other suggestions. Jenks24 (talk) 16:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
• Support. The footballer is clearly not primary here, so it's better to move the dab page to the undisambiguated title. Per Jenks24 above, "SS general" sounds like a more descriptive disambiguator than "Nazi". Jafeluv (talk) 13:37, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

The other reason for relisting is of course that this move proposal is really a multiple move (the article on the footballer goes somewhere, presumably!), and so technically invalid without the heads-up at the target page, and rightly so. Relisting solves that too. Andrewa (talk) 03:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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What introduction should that be ?

Along with the likes of Emil Maurice, Ulrich Graf, and Max Amann, Weber, a bouncer at a seedy bar, was amongst the earliest political associates of Adolf Hitler. Ever ready for a fight, Weber carried a riding crop with him, a habit shared by Hitler in these early years. - what's that ? In medias res ? One might think, if I read a wikipedia bio article, I want to learn some few facts, at least, about background, upbringing, or earlier years of such a figure. In fact, you learn nothing by this introduction ! --129.187.244.19 (talk) 09:20, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

besides, one might severely doubt that SS General is the right kind of category for that person, Christian Weber. He was a Nazi Party functionary, or, say, official, or something like that, but in no way a military SS leader. Pure rank "SS Oberfuehrer" (notice: Allgemeine SS) fits not for that term. --129.187.244.19 (talk) 09:25, 29 April 2019 (UTC)