Talk:Central Market (Phnom Penh)

Not Central Market

While it is correct that many English speakers erroneously refer to this market as “Central Market” Phsa Thmei translated “New Market” and that is how it is known in Cambodian. Among French speakers it is Phsa Thom Thmei or “Big New Market”. Only a few blocks away is Phsa Kandal, or “Central Market”

New Market (Phsa Thmei) is located at 11° 34’ 10.35” N and 104° 55’ 15.26”E

850 meters away is Central Market (Phsa Kandal) at 11° 34’ 8.57” N and 104° 55’ 43.48”E

New and Central are not synonimous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.63.240.6 (talk) 09:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

While what you say may be true, the term 'Central Market' has gained prominence in English. As this is an English-language Wikipedia, we take into consideration the English usage first. Hence why Cambodia is not redirected to Kampuchea. As for the naming issue, Phsar Kandal (if an article for it were to be made) can be titled under Phsar Kandal. But that is if there is no other widely accepted English name for it. Another example would be Sisowath Quay (I'm sure it is reffered to something else in Khmer). --Dara (talk) 04:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

...and if some anonymous contributor to Wikipedia says it is so -- then it is so. Logic, no correct translation have any place at Wikipedia. We always bow to the sandal wearing tourists of Cambodia who know they are correct because they have a bootleg copy of the Lonely Planet Guide in their backpack. All hail the lemmings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.189.134.91 (talk) 00:19, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Not just Lonely Planet that uses the term Central Market. National Geographic and countless other published material and news articles use the term. It has been established as the main term in the English language. One way to offset this use of Central Market is if the Cambodian authorities uses a transliteration in English language texts, or even as something as simple as an English sign for it. But Im sure that the Sihanouk used the term Cebtral Market somewhere in his writings. It would take a lot of effort though like with Calcutta to Kolkata. By your logic, I guess we should rename Cambodia article to Kampuchea and Killing Fields to whatever the Khmer term is. --Dara (talk) 21:14, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

I am adding that the English term Central Market may have been influenced by the French name for it (Marché central). It was built under the French after all, are they wrong to call it what they see it as? I would wager that some Cambodians at that time probably used 'Marché central' when speaking in Khmer too. Now who is correct? In some situation is could be hard to clarify so this is probably why Wikipedia editing suggest we use the most common usage in the particular language (English here). --Dara (talk) 21:48, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

The backpackers have won the argument. Street signs in Phnom Penh now indicate the name of the market in Cambodian as ផ្សារធំថ្មី, which is "New Market," yet the English name on the same sign is shown as "Central Market." This just goes to show if enough people repeat the same thing enough times, it becomes standard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.248.164.148 (talk) 03:20, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Merging

Please help to merge the article Psah Thmay into this article and later redirect Psah Thmay to this page. Thanks.99.243.141.216 (talk) 22:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Article Name...

Sorry but Psar Thom Thmei just doesn't do it for me. I've never heard the term used once in the ten years I've lived here in Phnom Penh - I first ran into this name on wikipedia, when the article name was changed by an IP editor. Google gives us 7 unique hits for Phsar Thom Thmei and 6,590 unique hits for Psar Thmei. It's also the most common transliteration of the name used in the English language press (saw two articles using it in the paper today). google news gives 16 matches for Psar Thmei and zero matches for Psar Thom Thmei. I could add another hundred references that use Psar Thmei at least from the years of local papers I have archived. If there are no convincing objections, I'll move it and this can become a redirect if necessary.Paxse (talk) 12:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. In English guide books, it is always referred to as the 'Central Market'. This term is more common among English speakers. In the same veign, we shouldn't change Cambodia to Kampuchea even though the latter is what is used by Khmer speakers. I will be moving this article to the Central Market now --Dara (talk) 04:07, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

The lack of linguistic ability is the standard by which Wiki pieces are built and substantiated. When I speak Cambodian to Cambodians I never hear them confuse Central Market and New Market, yet they are baffled by foreigners who can't differentiate between the two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.189.134.91 (talk) 00:22, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Not only should Wikipedia use "central market" we should also force the Cambodians to only use the name we deem best. Central market it is! What do Cambodians know about naming things in Phnom Penh?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.71.68.99 (talk) 04:06, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Romanization

Please be consistent. If you use "h" to imply the initial consonant in Thom and Thmey is aspirated, why leave it out in Phsar? Another point: Using a final H after a vowel in Cambodian romanization usually implies a glottal aspirate (not sure the correct term) but it is present in the word "preah". The word for market does not have this final sound. Phsar (as opposed to psah) is more in-line with how Cambodian is often romanized including the silent R just like Angkor has. By the way, it is romanized as Phsar Thmei on the Ministry of Tourism of Cambodia's website. --Dara (talk) 18:07, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

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