Talk:Dragon Ball Z: Broly – Second Coming

Broly's blood

Um, why is the fluid that comes out of his heart green? Shouldn't it be red?--suit-n-tie 05:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

It must be the reflection from his green aura or green energy ball attack. Johnny542 20:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I myself think its from his LSSJ power itself and not a reflection. Remember in both REAL Broly movies when he got beat both times his blood was green(Goku's Punch and the explosion of his heart in the sun). Only time you seen it reb was in this normal from when Goku kicked him in their first fight of movie 8 it dripped from Broly's mouth, and the begining of this movie when he was in his SSJ and normanl state before the ice froze him. Heat P 07:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I remember those parts. Since his LSSJ form is sometimes shown with green hair (except in movie 10 hwne his hair is just normal) and a green aura, they must have something to do with the greenish blood. It must be a rection from being hit from a powerful attack like Goku's final punch or the triple kamehameha attack. Johnny542 17:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Added some missing parts

a part is missing from this article, when Trunks launch a ki-blast and passes out, later as Broly is overpowering the tripple kamehameha he launches one blast at his own attack to strenghten it, note one, but as its about to hit, a secound blast is seen, a yellow one. note that Broly only launched one. so it is safe to assume that the secound attack was that of trunks. anyway we seen an explotion, and a far off shot of his entire energy ball being weakened. at that point he tries to strenghten it further, to correct the damage. but the damage was allready done. it was at this point that Goku and his sons pulled out all stops and managed to break the attack. edning broly's life.

(note that personally i belive that goku was allso ss2, as it would make no sence for him to hold back when his sons life was at stakes, cause as we well know, his ss1 state is no match for broly lss. but this is specualtion, as it is hard to see the diffrence between goku's ss1 and ss2 state.)

(note #2 that the fact that there was no lightning in their aura dosnt mean that they where not ss2's, during ss2 vegeta's fight with kid buu, he rarley had lightning in his aura. it seems that the lightning only appear when they power up.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.0.151.131 (talk • contribs) 12:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

You are definately right. Just because there was no bio-electricty doesn't mean Gohan was not a Super Saiyan 2 during his fight against Broly. If he was a Super Saiyan, why would he hold back, that would be stupid so this is why I think Gohan was a Ssj2. It might have been possible that Goku may have also been a Super Saiyan 2 since, like you said before, there is no point for him to hold back at all. It is sometimes hard to tell Ssj1 Goku from Ssj2 Goku.

I think you should add all the stuff you have at the first paragraph as it might help.Johnny542 01:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you actually watch the movies and series? I will say this but i still do not believe it but it is possible Gohan did go SSJ2. But there is no real evidence he did go SSJ2. No electic aura and his hair in both forms looks the same as like Vegeta in both his SSJ and SSJ2 forms. So as it goes he was just a SSJ. But Goku's spirit was just a SSJ. There is two ways to tell Goku is either SSJ or SSJ2 and one EVERYONE knows, thats the electic aura but the other is Goku's hair. As a SSJ his hair has 5 bangs hanging over his forehead and his hair is looser but as a SSJ2 he only has 3 bangs hanging and his hair is more stiff. So sorry guys look at the movie closer and you see Goku was just his normal SSJ self. Heat P 07:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I have to correct you about Gohan. If you notice that Gohan had to actually try to power up to his SSJ2 level, or which ever it was. But if I'm not mistaken, Gohan was trained to sustain his SSJ level when he was young and training with Goku. But it seemed to take all of the energy he had just to power up to the level which appears to be a SSJ2. So that's all of my solid evidence.  ?Halo3master5000 9:05, 05 March 2007 (UTC)

I find it funny that people still believe that Gohan was in his Super Saiyan 2 form. It makes me remember the morons who thought Vegetto went SSJ2 as well. Let me refresh you memory so that this debate ends here.

Teen Gohan had a diferent haircut from his Adult timeline. This one ressembles Teen Gohan SSJ2 form haircut. If you watch Dragon Ball, the World Tournment saga you will see Adult Gohan as an SSJ and as an SSJ2. NO DIFERENCE IN THE HAIRCUT just the electricity in his SSJ2 form (not bio-electricity like some kid said). So yes sparking is a requirement for SSJ2.

Regarding Vegeta fighting Buu and his lack of sparks. Yes its true he doesnt always have the lighting bolts around him but you must blame Toei for that. In the manga SSJ2 and SSJ3 ALWAYS have sparks. Check it out if doubt me. In the anime the lazyness of the producers made this important details irrelevant. And now im gonna edit the article.

There is one thing that some of you people do not understand. Goku is obviously SSJ when he helped Gohan and Goten with the Kamehameha, just look, there is no electricity in his aura, his hair has the 5 bangs hanging over his forehead (not 5 bangs) and his hair is much looser than SSJ2 hair. And anyway, why are people complaining that Goku was supposedly "holding back"? They still destroyed Broly, didn't they? All it needed was three regular Super Saiyan with three ultra-powered Kamehamehas to destroy Broly. And where is the evidence that Goku could even turn into SSJ2 at this point? You don't know whether he could turn into SSJ2 or not now, it was only revealed that he could later in the Majin Boo Saga. And as for Gohan turning into SSJ2 - look more closely, and you'll see he is in his regular SSJ form. It's not TOEI's fault, Gohan regularly fought as a normal SSJ, he even fought against Dabura and Fat Boo as a regular SSJ (not SSJ2). The only time he transformed into a SSJ2 was in the World Tournament against Kibito. Son Gohan (talk) 08:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

^Which only about half a second of Gohan's unveiling against Kibito, at most (both before and after the tiles fell down, the Sparks had only shown up for only a second.). Also, There's actually a minute difference between SSJ Gohan and SSJ2 Gohan (Adult form, I mean.). In SSJ form, he has two locks (though one's so small you could barely even notice.), SSJ2 form only has one huge lock in front of his head. Most of his first round against LSSJ Broly had his hair only having one large lock. Speaking of LSSJ Broly, Considering how he already conquered two SSJs in his SSJ form alone, if Gohan had only fought him in SSJ form, Broly wouldn't have any reason for him to go LSSJ (as he was seen showing shock and fear just before transforming into LSSJ). Therefore, the only logical way Broly would have had enough fear of Gohan's ability to transform into LSSJ was if Gohan transformed into SSJ2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.251.111 (talk) 02:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I never could understand why people refuse to accept the fact that Gohan is SS2 in the first battle. The Daizenshuu books say Gohan is SS2, but I guess some Gohan fanboys just don't wanna accept that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.35.165.103 (talk) 15:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Gohan’s physical traits and demeanor do not follow SS2, they follow SS1. peepnklown

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i've added it, personally i see not fault in it. even though i am a broly fan, i dont see why i should be wrong in what i added. trunks did help out, and because of his interference broly was defeated. same as the TOEI punch in movie 8, goku seemed to be leeching energy from Broly as he punched his hand. if you rewiev the scene you can see Goku powering up after the hit, which looked like it actually allowed Goku to leech from Broly, so when he did power up, his hair becomes lime green. i dont see why this is to be an coincidence. it would seem that Broly did not die on a whim. allthough it looks like it on the first view.

but i've only added the content that whereb relevant to the movie. which Broly was shown to overpover goku, goten and gohan untill Trunks attack messed things up for Broly.

The stuff you said you added is not there. Maybe somebody erased it?Johnny542 00:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC) Also if I may add Gohan did not use his ss2 strength against Broly the first time. They never had gohan at his full potential unless he trained or got his power awakened it was always ss1 well what about ss2 they made gohan so weak. I wish they came out with an alternate series that showed the way Dbz was meant to be showed the way Toriyami purposed it(I hoped I spelled his name correctly)! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.184.97.231 (talk) 03:43, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Gohan was a SS2 and that's final. If you think that a normal SS can damage Brolly, then I guess you don't know your facts correctly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.35.165.103 (talk) 09:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

It is not final. If you want to talk about facts then let us look at Gohan’s physical traits and his demeanor. Compare Gohan’s powering up to SS1 vs. SS2. This clearly shows that Gohan was SS1 and not SS2. peepnklown

super saiyan 2 goku

I was on youtube last night and I looked up the beam battle in Broly Second Coming and I am not sure but when Goku said "Together" at the end when Broly threw that huge green energy ball at Gohan, Goku and Goten, it looked like Goku powered up to his Super Saiyan 2 form as he seemed to only have one strand of hair around his face: much like his Super Saiyan 2 form. I am not sure whether he was a Super Saiyan 2 when he said this or if he just powered up just enough in his Super Saiyan form to help his sons win the beam struggle or if it was just my imagination. Just personally want to tell you.Johnny542 00:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

No he was not. it was just the blast of wind from the Kamehamehas that was blowing his hair back. Also there is something you should know. When the movie came out Goku in the series had just come back to earth. The movie took place doing the begnning of the World tournment saga. Just before Goku arrived so his SSJ2 form was not even seen as of the movie. Heat P 07:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I accidently erased any ones material I enjoy having discussions with true DBZ fans —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.184.97.231 (talk) 03:46, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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it looks like it. i whish whoever did it (prob the person who wrote this in the first place) would bother to give a reason. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.252.27.111 (talk) 14:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

it would seem that someone edited in parts of my suggestions, but that was not me. but i would still like the one who keeps editing back the trunks part to explain. i could very well prove my suggestions if it would come to that.

yeah you are right about the Trunks part in Broly: Second Coming, whoever keeps deleting this stuff must be a little slow. Here's my advice, keep on editing this part into the section and if somebody changes it, go to the History section and found out the name of who is doing this. If you do find him or her, just discuss this at their talk page. Hopefully things will work out for you. Johnny542 19:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Vidal and Trunks Part

I might add these parts into the Broly: Second Coming article. Since Vidal did save Gohan from being killed by Broly by throwing a crystal at him. While Broly was destracted, Gohan was able to kick him in the stomach and prepare his Kamehameha attack. Also after Trunks threw that energy blast at Broly and then passed out, Broly was shooting his green energy balls at Goten, Gohan and Goku when I thought I saw Trunk's energy balst block all of Broly's own attacks. This is how Goku was able to tell his sons to deliever the final blow. Without this, Gohan, Goten and Goku would have been defeated, if Gohan gived it his all and turned Super Saiyan 2, but like you said before, the animators wanted to limit the strength of Gohan by making Broly a worthy villian. Anyway thanks for the info of the Energy Clashes in the game, it was useful and now I don't have any problems anymore. Johnny542 17:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

That not a problem to edit. If it happened in the movie and was an important part of the battle which it was it can be edited into the article just make sure if you do so just make sure that its not too long or that it make complete sense with the article and not to just put it anywhere in the article. It would be fine to add it in. You are welcome on the info I gave you. Happy to help out a Dragon Ball fan and fellow gamer.

Heat P 06:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks man. Johnny542 17:52, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

editing and fixing

I went back through the article and fix and edited a few things. Read over it an tell me if you like what I fixed or added. -Heat P 20:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Umm bulletproof I know you mean well but you are commenting vandalism by erasing sections and summaries of people discussions. I know sometimes some of us are turn it into a forum but usually it is to explain something to the less knowledgeble people on editing articles. Now unless it has some really big form of violation like old Jrapidfire did, then I can understand. But If it is just talk then you are doing the same thing Jrapidfire was doing by deleting. Please do not do this anymore, it is wrong and if I or someone as to explain to someone that they are wrong to try and edit the article with there or someone else opinion let us. Do not erase the section. Thank you

Heat P 08:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

ahem... ahem please see Wikipedia:Vandalism to see what the correct definition of the policy really is. Cheers! -- bulletproof ^3:16 00:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you want the correct policy on talk pages of vandalism,here it is via the same link you just gave me. CHEER!!

Talk page vandalism

Removing the comments of other users from talk pages other than your own, aside from removing internal spam, vandalism, etc. is generally considered vandalism.(which you did on this page with is not your talk page) Removing personal attacks is often considered legitimate (which I said I can undersatnd), and it is considered acceptable to archive an overly long talk page by creating an archive page and moving the text from the main talk page there.(Which you done before but is ok with many of us) The above rules do not apply to a user's own talk page,(which again this talk page is not yours) where this policy does not itself prohibit the removal and archival of comments at the user's discretion. Please note, though, that removing warnings from one's own talk page is often frowned upon.

Next time don't shove a policy or rule infront of me or anyone unless you read it yourself so again do not remove section or summaries because you feel it is not right, nothing on the resent summary you just erased violated any rule or policy. Heat P 13:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Ahem ahem...aside from removing internal spam(which is what you were doing that made me remove it in the first place), vandalism, etc... might want to take that into consideration Heat.-- bulletproof ^3:16 00:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I got you now. sorry. Thanks for letting me know. Anyway what was it that I spammed on? I can't even remember it. Hit my page up so we don't have to take up much of this page's space.

Heat P 06:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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Super Saiyan 2 again?

I swear, someone should put up pictures for every character and show the difference between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2. The electric aura for Super Saiyan 2 may be absent, but many say its not a necessity. However, the bangs on Gohans hair dictates which form he is in, and either he was a Super Saiyan 2 when he first fought Broly or a Super Saiyan 2 during his last fight, but in no way was the hair similar, so there is no way for Gohan to be one steady form in this whole movie. AS for Goku, one could argue his hair was blown back. It was possible for him to transform, but the final scene with his 2 sons show his hair back to normal, like Gotens, so most likely just the wind.

If someone needs picture proof between Gohans Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 form, I will gladly provide it to stop people from mixing this up, editing, and ruining the article in bulk based on simple speculation. Even the new "Similarities and Inconsistencies" part of the article makes the entire article watered down, and is not necessary.(Skullguardian (talk) 06:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC))

I looked at the pics of when he was fighting Broly, and it was clearly SSJ2. I mean, there was only one big lock in that form, which would signify SSJ2. Plus, if he wasn't SSJ2, can you please explain why Broly even transformed into LSSJ in the first place? I mean, it was a bit obvious that he saw he was outclassed by Gohan's new transformation. I mean, considering how easily he beat Trunks and Goten's SSJ forms in his SSJ form alone, Broly wouldn't worry if Gohan is SSJ. Hence, it had to be SSJ2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.151.221 (talk) 05:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

We know that Gohan was at SSJ2 during the battle, which is why SSJ2 is currently listed in the article. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 01:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

where was vegita and the Z fighters?

would some one answer this guestion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.182.67.219 (talk) 02:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

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