Talk:Bryan brothers

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Latest comment: 4 years ago by 2605:E000:1309:CD88:F8FC:73A:DB46:C5D4 in topic 2018 ATP Finals

Fraternal or identical twins?

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Can someone specify if they are fraternal or identical twins? Achen00 04:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Fraternal. Assume this if unspecified as only a small minority of twins are actually identical. Wipkipkedia (talk) 07:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)Reply
I think you misunderstand the use of identical when referring to twins. Identical twins is the more common term used to refer to monozygotic twins and not only to 100% identical twins. Fraternal twins is the common term used to refer to dizygotic twins, which obviously the Bryans are not. Tvx1 (talk) 00:49, 31 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Incorrect statement

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The lead to this article currently states "who form the most successful doubles team of brothers of the Open era." I don't know much about doubles tennis but I know enough to know that this is obviously incorrect. "The Woodies" were far more successful for one, and I guess there may well have been others. For now I'm going to remove/correct the sentence. If anyone has any good sources saying otherwise they'd be interesting to read. aLii 19:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Perhaps not so "obviously incorrect"? While "The Woodies" have certainly been far more successful, "The Woodies" are not actually brothers - one is a "Woodbridge" (Todd), and one is a "Woodforde" (Mark).
Ha, true. I guess that I read straight over that word. aLii 11:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Merger

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As I see it there is no need for individual pages for the members of a doubles team unless they also have singles careers. These two don't do they? aLii 19:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Well, in fact, there is the need of individual pages too. As they both are playing mixed doubles too and are performing well. Bob is currently seeded No. 1 with Lisa Raymond. So sooner of later we will run into the conflicts and will have to put their separate pages. So better not disturb the set-up right now and hang with the current situation without changes. Vivek 05:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)Reply


They may be brothers but they are both public and are both individual, hence the separate articles are justified.

I think this page should be merged into Bob Bryan and Mike Bryan. They are notable as individuals, not just a team, and having in essence three pages for two people is overkill. Kolindigo 19:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

I disagree that three pages is overkill. I think these players each deserve their own page based on their individual accomplishments, and their doubles success deserves it's own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.213.101.250 (talk) 20:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)Reply
The problem with having three pages is that many people are notable both individually and in groups. Having individual and group pages for all these people would be terribly confusing. I think that this page should be merged into the two individual pages. This wouldn't mean any less content or "celebration"--both pages could have a section on their doubles accomplishments. MrVibrating 04:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)Reply
You say having individual and group pages for people would be confusing but a lot of musicians without solo carreers have individual pages and band pages too. 172.158.101.28 (talk) 19:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)Reply
For what it is worth, I agree that this page is unneeded and should be merged/split into the two existing articles for each of the individual brothers. Dcs315 (talk) 03:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)Reply
The brothers have done almost nothing alone, save a few mixed titles. Having three pages is superfluous. Besides, does anyone really come to this page looking for info solely on Bob or Mike Bryan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.125.86 (talk) 22:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
The current setup is great as far as I'm concerned. They have a page for the doubles team, and then small pages for their singles and mixed doubles careers. We do the same thing for comic duos like Abbot and Costello; this is the same as far as I'm concerned. - Atarr (talk) 18:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Fair use rationale for Image:1993-1.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Proposed split

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They are both individually notable. Furthermore, they do not compete only with each other, so this is not a case of dealing with people who are only notable with each other. Right now, there are three pages to discuss two athletes. There should be a page for Bob Bryan and a page for Mike Bryan. Kolindigo (talk) 02:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

It's true that they may be individually notable, but I do think that they are best known as a tandem. It's not like, for example, Venus and Serena Williams, who are better known for competing against one another than with one another. Personally, I see no problem with either keeping the three articles, or just keeping them as one combined article, with separate sections on their solo efforts. Samer (talk) 20:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
I agree with Samer. They're better known as a team than as individuals. There is precedent for keeping three articles for a doubles team—just look at The Woodies, Todd Woodbridge, and Mark Woodforde. Woodbridge had a substantial career as a doubles player with other partners after Woodforde retired. — Dale Arnett (talk) 17:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Twins/Syblings

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Currently trying to find other examples of "how" twins and/or syblings are handled for other projects. If you have examples, please leave a link here...Mjquin_id (talk) 06:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Working on this

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Outcome Year Championship Surface Opponent in the final Score in the final
Winner 2002   Canada(1) Hard   Mark Knowles
  Daniel Nestor
4–6, 7–6(1), 6–3
Winner 2003   Cincinnati (1) Hard   Wayne Arthurs
  Paul Hanley
7–5, 7–6(5)
Winner 2005   Paris (1) Hard (i)   Mark Knowles
  Daniel Nestor
6–4, 6–7(3), 6–4
Winner 2006   Canada (2) Hard   Paul Hanley
  Kevin Ullyett
6–3, 7–5
Winner 2006   Madrid (1) Hard (i)   Mark Knowles
  Daniel Nestor
7–5, 6–4
Winner 2007   Miami (1) Hard   Leander Paes
  Martin Damm
6–7(7), 6–3, [10–7]
Winner 2007   Monte Carlo (1) Clay   Julien Benneteau
  Richard Gasquet
6–2, 6–1
Winner 2007   Hamburg (1) Clay   Paul Hanley
  Kevin Ullyett
6–3, 6–4
Winner 2007   Madrid (2) Hard (i)   Mariusz Fyrstenberg
  Marcin Matkowski
6–3, 7–6(4)
Winner 2007   Paris (2) Hard (i)   Daniel Nestor
  Nenad Zimonjić
6–3, 7–6(4)
Winner 2008   Miami (2) Hard   Mahesh Bhupathi
  Mark Knowles
6–2, 6–2
Winner 2008   Rome (1) Clay   Daniel Nestor
  Nenad Zimonjić
3–6, 6–4, [10–8]
Winner 2008   Cincinnati (2) Hard   Jonathan Erlich
  Andy Ram
4–6, 7–6(2) , [10–7]
Winner 2010   Rome (2) Clay   John Isner
  Sam Querrey
6–2, 6–3
Winner 2010   Madrid (3) Clay   Daniel Nestor
  Nenad Zimonjić
6–3, 6–4
Winner 2010   Canada (3) Hard   Julien Benneteau
  Michael Llodra
7–5, 6–3
Winner 2010   Cincinnati (3) Hard   Mahesh Bhupathi
  Max Mirnyi
6–3, 6–4

See!69.137.121.17 (talk) 05:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

Davis Cup losses don't add up.

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The Davis cup section in the 3rd paragraph lists a "20–3 record in doubles matches" and "Their three losses" ... then says they lost once in 2005, once in 2008, and twice in 2013. It's probably not necessary to list all of their losses individually in the first place, but if they're going to be there, they should add up.Inukshuk8 (talk) 17:38, 6 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Corrected it. Well spotted. MiniFats01 (talk) 20:18, 10 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Year–End No. 1 for individual players' ranking record

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At the moment it says that the Bryan Brothers hold the record of 6 Year–End No. 1 for individual players' ranking between 2005-2011. I believe that this is no longer true as Mike Bryan alone actually holds the record of 7 after 2012- I've put a note by the record for now explaining this. However, I think that this particular record should be removed as it is now held by Mike Bryan and not by both brothers. Any thoughts? MiniFats01 (talk) 12:23, 20 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Agreed. --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 13:08, 20 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the quick response- I'll remove it now. Fantastic username by the way haha MiniFats01 (talk) 20:11, 20 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Grand Slam

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Holding all Slam tournaments at the same time is not a Grand Slam. Nobody considers Novak Djokovic to have achieved the Grand Slam - rather he is 'the third man to hold all four major titles at once'. This should be consistent for the Bryan Brothers.

2018 ATP Finals

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I think we need to clarify a distinction between a "DNQ" and an "Absent" for the performance timeline. In 2018, the Bryan brothers did not qualify for the ATP Finals. The reason for this is Mike Bryan and Jack Sock were ranked higher in the race than Bob and Mike Bryan, and by going down the standings, the Bryan brothers were ineligible to qualify because Mike Bryan was already in the tournament. Contrast this with the 2019 ATP Finals, where the Bryan brothers were in a qualifying (top 8) position but elected to withdraw. In 2018, the Bryans did not have the option of competing and could not have done so even if they wanted to. That is a "DNQ". In 2019, the Bryans had the option to play and chose not to. That is an "Absent". 2605:E000:1309:CD88:F8FC:73A:DB46:C5D4 (talk) 23:28, 1 January 2020 (UTC)Reply