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"Origin" vs "Ancestry" edit

Latest comment: 4 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I changed "of Black African origin" to "of Black African ancestry" for accuracy. Black French people's origin is, by definition, France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:F921:280:5CA1:C97A:3D06:CE46 (talk) 06:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Is this even a real category? edit

Latest comment: 14 years ago5 comments5 people in discussion

Blacks in France consider themselves French and black (or French and Senegalese), not under the term Afro-French. I don't think the world classifies people the same way Americans do. --Yellowfiver (talk) 18:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

thierry henry is antillean/creole not african

antillean(creole)-french(guadeloupe, martinique, haiti...) people from the caribbean

african-french people from sub africa(ghana,senegal....)

maghreb-french people from north africa

i'm tired of seeing black this, african this, mix black in wikipedia, stop promoting racism. i don't see euro-french or indo-french.

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Its NOT racism, i'm so sick of people throwing out the word for everything when they don't even know the definition of it. Which is the belief that someone of another race is inferior or superior because of their race. Fact is regardless of whether a country conducts statistics or not. Africans are not ethnic French, and never will be. You don't magically become apart of a group thats been in the country for hundreds upon hundreds of years. They have haplogroups and genetic markers foreign to Europe and foreign to French people. Whenever geneticist carry out genetic research on French people they never include the immigrants in the deciphering the genetic structure of French people. Only the ethnics, those who can trace their ancestries back in the homeland for hundreds of years. Trying to turn France into some new world nation like Brazil & America will be the destruction of French culture in itself. We have all seen what trying to homogenize everyone under one culture has done in the United States enough to know that it is bad. The term "White" is a new world notion and does not apply to much of Europe. White is not white in Europe, you're talking about nations with loads of different cultures and practices, stop trying to put Europeans into one cultureless blob of "White". Thats why America is so screwed up now, no identity, and the people latch on to anydegenerate sub culture they can just to feel some sort of identity.

I agree with your other point though. Americans are obsessed with "Hyphens", but they're all the same. America was a new world nation, it started out multicultural, however how America started out is not the way most European countries started out. New world nations were just colonies with lots of different people from different continents brought over. Complete opposite to most European & Asian nations.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.27.210 (talk) 20:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

I've moved the article to Black people in France since that is a much more common term on Google and Google Scholar. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Wrong sources edit

  • The Afro-french definition is wrong because it is definied as "Afro-French is a term that is used to refer to those French people who are of Black African ancestry." So the Caribean people (which have african ancestor, I do agree) are not included.
  • Where the hell the numbers about the religion are taken from? I've never seen any pool or survey like this because it is strictly forbidden in France to ask officialy what's the religion of somebody.

There are a lot of approximation in this article, it misses sources! Madiya (talk) 20:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Too many 'Citation needed' that it seems like the page is just a placeholder. Also seems very biased and gives the impression Africans are automatically French if born outside of France. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clermont106 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 17 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Algeria, Tunisia, Morroco edit

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Almost no black french people don't come from Algeria, Tunisia or Morocco becuase there is no or few black people in these country. If you include these countries so the 3-4 million figure is wrong as people with these root were not included in this poll. Minato ku (talk) 02:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Sources edit

Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This article is completly speculation and needs some sources.TESTY (talk) 22:23, 18 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Notable people section edit

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I have removed the section on notable individuals because it was completely unsourced. In case anyone wants to reinstate any of it, the version that appeared prior to its removal is below. Note that the list is also very long and should, if reinstated, be split off as a standalone list. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

Just a category edit

Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Actually, the concept of "Black people" is not as international as British and American people think. In France, there are many shades between "white" and "black" even in the (French West Indian) vocabulary (métis, quarteron, octavon). Moreover, contrarily to the fundamentally racist societies originally part of the British colonial empire, where racially mixed couples have always been considered as an abomination and every drop of African blood makes anyone "Black", there are many French (there is a similar situation in Portugal and in several Central and South American societies) people with African ancestry who are not considered as "black". And there is no scientific proof that people identify themselves as "black" more than as Martiniquais, Guadeloupean, Chadian, Senegalese etc. There are, besides the CRAN, interracial organizations grouping people from the French West Indies and Réunion (Africadom e.g.), including "Blacks", "White", "other shades", Lebanese-French, Indian-French etc. Critics of the CRAN describe its members as French élite members (they are all university graduates and mostly from the upper social strata) who try to promote their social group interests by playing the "racial" card, whereas other people with the same background do not support their views. --Minorities observer (talk) 07:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)Reply

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Requested move 15 July 2018 edit

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The result of the move request was: move the page to Black people in France at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 03:10, 23 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

Blacks in France → ? – Per the move of "Blacks in Liverpool" to "Black people in Liverpool", this page should presumably be moved. To what, I'm not sure: "Black people in France"? "Black French people"? "French black people"? Not sure. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:50, 15 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

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Requested move 26 March 2024 edit

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The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 19:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Black people in France → Black French – Black French would be a more concise title as the title is overly long as per WP:CONCISE. Moreover, the intro already starts with Black French and the info-box has a title of Black French. Also, Black French is not ambiguous as there aren't any other articles about Black French with such a title. Plus, it would be WP:CONSISTENT with other articles like Black Europeans, Black British people, Black Belgians, Black Greeks, Black Welsh people and Black Scottish people. Freee Contributor (talk) 16:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • Oppose Ambiguous. "French" is also a language. And in English, people from France are usually called "French men" or "French women", not simply "French". Frankly, "Black French" by itself sounds like a slang term or a product, like a cocktail, coffee or nail polish or a yoga position. Walrasiad (talk) 08:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose per Walrasiad. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Requested move 3 April 2024 edit

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lightoil (talk) 16:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Black people in France → Black French people – Black French people would be a more concise title as the title is overly long as per WP:CONCISE. Moreover, the intro already starts with Black French and the info-box has a title of Black French, both of which could be updated to Black French people, as one contributor had already mentioned it apparently doesn't sound right, but Black French people would sound more natural. Also, Black French people is not ambiguous as there aren't any other articles about Black French people with such a title, and the article already includes those of African ancestry including Malagasy as well as those of Melanesian ancestry. Plus, it would be WP:CONSISTENT with other articles like Black Europeans, Black British people, Black Belgians, Black Greeks, Black Welsh people and Black Scottish people. Freee Contributor (talk) 13:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • Support per nom(ination).
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"Black French (disambiguation)" listed at Redirects for discussion edit

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  The redirect Black French (disambiguation) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 13 § Black French (disambiguation) until a consensus is reached. Kk.urban (talk) 05:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

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