Talk:Bambi, a Life in the Woods/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Binksternet (talk) 03:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   • This sentence needs some help: "The first English edition of Bambi in 1928 under the title Bambi. A Life in the Woods with translation by Whittaker Chambers."
   • "Due to Salten's status..." What status?
   • Sometimes there are endquotes before a period, and other times there are endquotes after a period. Check these for your intention, using Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Quotation_marks as the guide. For instance, "in silent absorption" ends the original sentence written by Galsworthy and so should have the period before the final quotation mark. More examples are "a bleeding heart of a European intellectual" and "six murderers (including three child-killers) among Bambi's associates", each of which is the final part of the quoted sentence.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   • Two problematic URLs: The germanhollywood.com one is dead, and the "Salten, Felix 'Bambi; Eine Lebensgeschichte Aus Dem Walde'" redirects to ilab.org's main page.
   • Please put a reference at the end of this quote: "marked by poetry and sympathy [with] charming reminders of German folklore and fairy tale", and this one "sensitive allegory of life" and this string '"beautiful and graceful" piece that showed a rare "individuality"' and this one "the understated conclusion of that scene, 'Bambi never saw his mother again,' masterfully evokes an uncomplicated emotional response" and this one "lot of dark adult undertones" and '"grim" and "somber"'
   • Please find a cite for "Bambi became a box office success and was well received by critics."
   • Please rewrite this sentence: "A collaboration between James Canfield, artistic director, and Thomas Lauderdale, composer, the ballet's production was carefully announced as an interpretation of the novel rather than the Disney film." Perhaps it would be best to make it into two sentences. If you write "artistic director James Canfield" and "composer Thomas Lauderdale" you trim two commas. The word "carefully" can go; it has nothing to do with "announced".
   • Can you move "After being given the novel as a Christmas present" in front of "Canfield notes that the play..." And "notes" should be past tense.
   • Explain "open stage set up"... is it without scenery? Theater in the round? No place for performers to hide when not acting? A thrust stage that extends into the audience area?

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   • Can you tell the reader that the Oregon dance company never staged their adaptation? As it is now, they are left hanging.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   • Please add alt text to the book cover image.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

I think I've fixed everything except the quoting/stops and open stage. I wikilinked it, since the source itself doesn't explain what it meant. For the quoting, I'll need to recheck those sources first. Anything else?

I see your changes, and I note your new selection of dmy date style. One of the sentences I wanted fixed was not fixed by your editing of it:

• Canfield noted that the play was truly inspired only by the novel, which he found to be a "classic story about coming of age and a life cycle" after being read it when it was given to him as a Christmas present.

I was looking for something along these lines:

• After being given the novel as a Christmas present, Canfield noted that the play was truly inspired only by the novel, which he found to be a "classic story about coming of age and a life cycle."

The open stage wikilink should pipe to Thrust stage. I will look the article over once again after a night's rest. Thanks for your fast response! Binksternet (talk) 05:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I tried a different reword there to make it clearer that he first got the novel and its view, which inspired him to do the play, then his noting it was influenced just by the novel. Also did the piping. Good night :-) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 05:34, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

• The two words "grim" and "somber" are still unaddressed. Somebody considered the book grim and somber, so who was it?
• In the lead section, you write "The novel was well received by critics and is considered a classic." The last fact is certainly true, but not yet echoed by text in the body of the article. Perhaps you can add a bit to the body about being a classic, and you can use the Spires reference (or another) to support. Binksternet (talk) 16:14, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

...And thanks for reworking my reworked citation template. Your solution is best. I hated putting the book title under the category "journal". :( Binksternet (talk) 16:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Congrats! The article is now at GA level. If your wish is to take it to FAC, you would want to do something about the repeated reference to J. Michael Barrier's book, such as using shortened footnotes or the rp template for page number. Also, I'm guessing that some of the cites suffer from a lack of "say where you got it"—it appeared to me that some of the quotes attributed to a newspaper or journal were found in another source describing the original source. Good work! Binksternet (talk) 17:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Awesomeness, thanks. :-) For FAC< I know some prefer shortened and all, but the style I use is acceptable so long as it is consistent (I hate hate hate hate hate shortened and never use it unless its the established style) :-P. Alas, for the two that were quoted from Book review, I've had no luck finding the original articles, but will keep at it. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

There's also the brute force method of combining all the relevant page numbers into one J. Michael Barrier reference rather than splitting them into two groups. Cheers! Binksternet (talk) 19:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

True, I've done it two ways. I generally go with split if there is enough space in the book between them to make it feel separate, or they are separate chapters, otherwise I got with just one. :-D -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)