Talk:Babymonster

Requested move 10 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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BabyMonster → Babymonster – Opening a discussion on whether or not the name of this group should be "Babymonster", or continue to be represented in camelcase as "BabyMonster".

The most common way the name is presented in RS is in the all-caps stylization, which doesn't help us here. I've dug through pages and pages of sources looking for instances where they mention the group not using all caps:

Reliable English-language sources for "Babymonster":

• ABS-CBN News
• The Korea Times
• The Korea Herald
• AsiaOne
• The Chosun Ilbo
• United Press International
• Yonhap News Agency
• Tatler Magazine
• Korean Broadcasting Service
• The Straits Times
• The Hankook Ilbo

Reliable English-language sources for "BabyMonster":

• Korea JoongAng Daily
• Vogue Singapore
• Variety
• The Chosun Ilbo
• United Press International
• Maeil Business Times
• Korea Economic Daily
• The Hankook Ilbo

There are also some sources that use "Baby Monster" (two separate words) but I think those are outliers. I've dug through all of YG Entertainment's official releases (including their yearly reports and financial releases) and can find no mention of the band as anything but the all caps stylization so they're of no help either.

Past YG Entertainment precedent doesn't really help us either... Blackpink doesn't use camelcase, but BigBang does.

The guideline at MOS:CAMELCASE defers to whatever appears to be most common but there is no clear majority here; based on what I've found in English-language RS, "Babymonster" has a very slight edge.

This article's assertion that the group's name is commonly shortened to "Baemon" (not "BaeMon") might be considered an additional point in no-camelcase's favour.

Does anyone know of any official sources where YG has stated one way or the other? That'd settle it. RachelTensions (talk) 16:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom's survey of independent reliable sources showing a majority with lowercase, along with Wikipedia's general tilt toward lowercase per MOS:CAPS's opening sentence: "Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization.". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:24, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per majority of the sources inclining to the lowercase, and MOS:TM and MOS:CAPS. As for "BigBang", for most of the pages' creation, it has been "Big Bang" until a user changed it through a requested move that had went by somewhat unnoticed (if my memory serves me right, the camel case of "BabyMonster" was cited as a reason for the move, hence why I also believe "BigBang" should also be changed back to "Bigbang" or "Big Bang" as it were before). Furthermore, YG Entertainment has not explicitly spelled the group's name without its capitalization, hence being reliant on the provided sources. Suugaapio (talk) 01:05, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  Looks like the last move discussion of BigBang was in January 2023 so it pre-dated Babymonster, but it's probably worth doing a bit of research into whether or not it suits ditching the CamelCase as well... sadly YG is obsessed with capital letters so they really don't make things straightforward. RachelTensions (talk) 05:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  I believe what triggered the move was this, which was prompted by the same user. Regardless, the case for Babymonster at the time was reasonable, however, not with "BigBang" and its unnecessary camel case (from my perspective). In the future, if YG Entertainment decides to publish material without the capitalization of Babymonster's name, their non-stylized name will then be cemented. Suugaapio (talk) 09:44, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support as the CamelCase styling appears to be unnecessary. Dicklyon (talk) 04:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.