Talk:Ancient Greek

Latest comment: 8 months ago by Toddcs in topic Periods of Ancient Greek (confusing)

chaos in romanization of Ancient Greek edit

Wiktionary uses only the scientific romanization whereas we don't even list it and instead list three others. I think it's a very bad idea to use a different romanization than Wiktionary does. Most editors will copy-paste romanizations from there.

In addition, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lang-grc refers to this page but doesn't explain which of the three romanizations listed should be used.

The easiest and best solution would be to automate the process using the code at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Template:inherited or is it https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Module:grc-translit ? --Espoo (talk) 18:35, 22 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Mhm Atarilynx999 (talk) 08:24, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply
I'm not sure the Wiktionary model is necessarily the best to follow here. I don't know who exactly came up with that scheme on Wiktionary, but there is no sourcing for it being an established "scientific" system at all. In fact, it was only claimed to be that well after the fact [1], by somebody who identified it with a system that was then being presented in our Romanization of Greek page as the "scientific one" ([2]), but (a) that alleged "scientific" system on Wikipedia was at that time also unsourced, and (b) the Wiktionary system wasn't in fact identical with it (Wiktionary uses ⟨u⟩ for ⟨υ⟩, while Wikipedia was listing ⟨y⟩; Wiktionary uses ⟨kh⟩ for ⟨χ⟩, while Wikipedia was listing ⟨ch⟩).
So I think it will be much better to stick to the actual standardized and sourced system that we are presenting in Romanization of Greek now. Actually, this page lists only one serious contender for Ancient Greek, the one labelled "ALA-LC" (the table column labelled "classical" refers to the spellings of Greek names and loanwords in classical Latin, while the "Beta code" isn't really meant as a human-readable transliteration system at all). I haven't checked whether this "ALA-LC" system is identical in all points with what we used to present as the "scientific" system without sourcing earlier, but it may well be; for what I can see, it's really Wikitionary that's the odd one out here. Fut.Perf. 09:01, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

Periods of Ancient Greek (confusing) edit

In the first paragraph of the article we read that Ancient Greek:

   is often roughly divided into the following periods:
   Mycenaean Greek , Dark Ages, the Archaic period, and
   the Classical period.

In the second paragraph of the article we read:

   This article primarily contains information about
   the Epic and Classical periods of the language.

The Epic period? This is very confusing. No Epic period was previously mentioned. So, to which of those periods of the first paragraph does the Epic period of the second paragraph correspond? Toddcs (talk) 13:05, 5 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Toddcs: Clearer now? The term "Epic Greek" redirects to Homeric Greek, and "Epic" in the quoted sentence leads there too. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 12:54, 19 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Florian Blaschke Yes, thanks so much. Toddcs (talk) 01:06, 19 July 2023 (UTC)Reply