Talk:Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War

The bias is a little.. huge

While we all know that Wikipedia are full of bias, and the administrators are pro-ukraine, i suggest making the article a little less biased. The page about the alleged Palestinian genocide is more impartial, I think the administrators are not so biased. As using the cited article as source, I suggest: 1 - Add responses to the accusation, like the palestinian article. 2 - Change perpetrators to Accused, like the palestinian article. Desaibsiaidepikiw (talk) 13:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

HAve any arrest warrant been issued over Gaza? Slatersteven (talk) 14:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

The situation of Ukraine and Gaza are very different. Genocidal intent has been expressed by israel which rightly should be pointed out. But right now its best to keep it labeled as an allegation. Ethnic cleansing is probably a more accurate description of what has been committed in Gaza. And there is also the fact the ICC has an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin for the forcible transfer of Ukrainian children into Russia. and the incitement to genocide and accusation mirror Russia did in violation of the genocide convention. Monochromemelo1 (talk) 05:59, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Really? A warrant sponsored by direct geopolitical competitors who have been hostile for years is evidence?

Should we consider Russian charges against Ukrainians for 'genocide' in the Donbass evidence as well? 84.247.43.62 (talk) 14:42, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

No WP:SOAPBOX please. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 14:46, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

ICC issued their warrants based on concrete evidence, which you can access with a single Google search. Russian accusations have literally no evidence whatsoever. I myself am a living proof that russians are lying, being a russian speaking Ukrainian with a lot of experience in different parts of the country. 109.87.36.102 (talk) 23:24, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Thousands of Ukrainian children have been deported to Russia and Belarus

https://www.politico.eu/article/deported-ukrainian-children-sent-to-survival-training-with-the-belarusian-military/

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/28/1222025735/ukrainian-children-deported-belarus

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-children-belarus-b2448974.html

There are more, it all goes back to a Yale (yes an accademic) study. 15:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC) Slatersteven (talk) 15:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, they say it was a part of the genocide. In particular, 1st ref: "The ‘forcible transfer and russification of Ukrainian children’ is ‘evidence of a genocide,’ the Council of Europe says." ...A study by Yale University found that between September 2022 and May 2023, over 2,400 Ukrainian children aged 6 to 17 were deported to Belarus ..." I included this ref. My very best wishes (talk) 21:37, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 27 April 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 00:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine → Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War – according to this source, this source and this source the genocide of Ukrainians began before the invasion. Also, Putin committed incitement to genocide before the invasion. Parham wiki (talk) 19:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

support per nom—blindlynx 19:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Suppoort Yes, the allegations was made before the invasion. Slatersteven (talk) 10:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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When will Wikipedia stop being biased and start calling it for what it is: genocide?

There's nothing alleged about thousands of pieces of evidence, from graves, to executions, to abductions and endless war crimes that targeted Ukrainian population.

Anyone who can Google has thousands of statements, photos, videos and documents proving beyond any reasonable doubt that Russia is committing genocide against Ukrainians (again). 109.87.36.102 (talk) 11:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

When this stops being a wp:blp. And when the ICC calls it a genocide. Slatersteven (talk) 11:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Like Wikipedia has changed the title of "Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" to "Gaza genocide" even though neither Netanyahu or Gallant have been indicted by the ICC for war crimes (warrants have been issued for these two individuals by the ICC for war crimes, but neither Netanyahu or Gallant have been formally indicted yet) - yet Putin, Gerasimov, Lvov-Belova, Shoigu, Kobylash and Sokolov have been indicted by the ICC for war crimes and systemic child abduction in an attempt to erase Ukrainian identity (which constitutes cultural genocide similar to that against Indigenous peoples in the US, Canada and Australia) - yet this Wikipedia article hasn't been moved to "Ukraine genocide (2014-present)". Double standards much? 180.216.224.20 (talk) 03:28, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Again, I'm not defending Israel's innumerable war crimes in Gaza nor am I defending Netanyahu - but it seems like there's a far lower bar for what is considered genocide if Israel is perpetrating it compared to other nations (particularly in regards to the judicial process). 180.216.224.20 (talk) 03:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 11 August 2024

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The result of the move request was: Procedural close (see WP:RUSUKR). (non-admin closure) Mellk (talk) 21:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War → Genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War – Because of the overwhelming references in the article, the open rethoric of the Russian goverment and especially in the light of renaming the Gazian situation I propose that we should rename it here as well so that Wikipedia continues the consistency on the naming of articles. G Utopia (talk) 21:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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