Talk:Prayagraj/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Pyrotec (talk · contribs) 19:57, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

• I will review. Pyrotec (talk) 19:57, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Initial comments

I'm sorry for the delay in getting my comments down "in print" here, I got delayed elsewhere in wikipedia. I've done a very quick read of the article and on that basis, I will not be "quick failing" this nomination. It appears to be at or about GA-level, but I've not checked any of the references/citations nor the copyright status of the images.

I'm now going to work my way through the article starting at the Etymology section, going thorough to the end and then returning to look at the WP:Lead. This will take a few days, but if everything go well this article could be a GA before the end of this week. We will have to see! Pyrotec (talk) 20:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

• Etymology -

• See first comment below.

• History -

• I need to return, first, to the WP:Lead. The Lead appears to contain material that does not appear to be in the body of the article, so the Lead is non-compliant with WP:Lead:
  • In particular the Lead contains the statement: "The city's original name—Prayaga, or "place of sacrifice"—comes from its position at the sacred union of the rivers Ganges, Yamuna and Saraswati2" and the first paragraph of History starts off with: "The city was known earlier as Prayāga - a name that is still commonly used.[6] Its age is illustrated by Vedic references to Prayag, where Brahma, the Creator of the Universe, is believed to have attended a sacrificial ritual.[7] .....". The material I've referenced above in the Lead either needs to appear in the Etymology or History sections as well as appearing in the Lead.
• The first paragraph states: "Its age is illustrated by Vedic references to Prayag, where Brahma, the Creator of the Universe, is believed to have attended a sacrificial ritual.[7]". The paragraph is certainly verifiable but it does not tell me anything about its age. When did this sacrificial ritual take place? Y Pyrotec (talk) 20:47, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

The sentence is now changed to "Prayāga existed during the Vedic period, and is mentioned in the Veda as the location where Brahma, the Creator of the Universe, attended a sacrificial ritual." Thus it says that Prayag existed during the Vedic period, a specific time period. --Dwaipayan (talk) 19:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

• It states: "Excavations have revealed Northern Black Polished Ware objects in Prayag, further corroborating the conjecture that Prayag existed as a town as early as 600 B.C.". As far as I can see this is the first conjecture that Prayag existed as a town as early as 600 B.C., so why/what is the further corroborating statement about? Y Pyrotec (talk) 20:47, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Removed those further corroboration etc. The sentence now reads, "Excavations have revealed Northern Black Polished Ware that dates to 600–700 BCE.".--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

• The same paragraph states: The Puranas record that Yayati left Prayag and conquered the region of Saptha Sindhu without any explanation about Yayati, for example the dates that he arrived and when he left?
• The second paragraph gives no indication of dates or time frame.
• The third paragraph seems to have a stray sentence "It is also known as the "Prime minister Capital of the India," the importance of the government to the city has led seven out of fourteen Prime Ministers of India.[1]" inserted between a discussion of the 1765 British establishment of a garrison at Allahabad fort and the town being annexed by Mohammad Ghori in A.D. 1193. It seems to be in the wrong place and time.
• The third paragraph seems to have been put together in a random fashion. It starts off in the 15th century and runs in date sequence and then goes back to 1193 starts and finished with Allahabad fort in 1575, but the fort was mentioned earlier in the paragraph in 1765.
• The fourth paragraph covers some of the material in the third paragraph. The establishment of the fort is mentioned again in 1765.
• The fifth paragraph starts off by discussing the 1857 mutiny again, which already appears in the forth paragraph, and then moves on to cover unrelated material. The 1857 mutiny material should be moved out of the fifth paragraph and placed in the forth, where it really belongs. This paragraph should really begin with: After the Mutiny was quelled, the British established the ......
• The final sentence of the fourth paragraph states that Allahabad served as the capital of United Provinces until 1920, and its referenced, and later in the Culture Allahabad is described as the former capital of the United Provinces, but there is no explanation of why Allahabad lost this role. Since this is a very short sentence, there is room for a brief explanation.

• Geography -

....stopping for now. To be continued. Pyrotec (talk) 20:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

• • Untitled subsection -

• Looks OK.

• • Climate -

• Ref 44 leads to Tourismallahabad.org and a series of advertisements here, it does not provide any verification of "typical seasons".

• • Biodiversity -

• Looks OK.

• Demographics & Civic administration -

• These two sections look OK.

• Culture -

• In the second paragraph various authors, Mahadevi Varma, Sumitranandan Pant, Suryakant Tripathi 'Nirala', Harivansh Rai Bachchan, Raghupati Sahay/Firaq Gorakhpuri are mentioned but no indication of their relationship to Allahabad is given. Note, later it states that Akbar Allahabadi and other named individuals were from the city.

• all authors and peots were born in city.please let me know if i've to mention this.Before editing i referred some FA articles like Kolkata and so on.I find no such thing.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^☣ 14:00, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

• The first three sentence state (I've added the boldness its not present in the text in the article): During the 19th and 20th centuries, Hindi literature was modernised through the works of authors such as Mahadevi Varma, Sumitranandan Pant, Suryakant Tripathi 'Nirala', Harivansh Rai Bachchan.[77] Another noteworthy poet was Raghupati Sahay who was more famous by the name of Firaq Gorakhpuri.[78] Firaq Gorakhpuri and Mahadevi Varma were awarded the Jnanpith Award.[79][80][81] , but this article is about Allahabad so it should be made clear in the article why there is a connection (or connections) between Hindi literature, poetry, the Jnanpith Award, the named people and Allahabad. The answer that is given here is that those named people were born in Allahabad: so that aught to be in the article. Pyrotec (talk) 19:06, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

• Kumbh Mela -

• Looks OK.

• Sports & Transportation -

...stopping for now. To be continued. Pyrotec (talk) 16:48, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

• These two sections look OK.

• Education

• Looks OK.

• Industries -

• Ref 117 is used to support the claim that The main industries of Allahabad are tourism, fishing and agriculture., but ref 117 leads here to the ALLAHABAD AGRICULTURAL INSTITUTE's web site "about us". It is does not appear to provide verification of the statement. Done
• Ref 118 seams to lead to the wrong page. It is being used to verify the statement Allahabad city is the largest commercial centers in the state; it also has the second-highest per capita income and the third greatest GDP in the state (following Kanpur) but it leads to here which is Empowering women means making nation strong. It should lead to GDP & per capita income of Allahabad. Done
• The statements The growth of IT has presented the city with unique challenges. Ideological clashes sometimes occur between the city's IT moguls, who demand an improvement in the city's infrastructure, and the state government, whose electoral base is primarily the people in city are unreferenced. Done
• The final two sentences are cited by ref 125, which provides a list of company names. However, the first sentence describes some companies as popular and the last sentence describes some renowned institutions. These appear to be value judgements that are not supported by references. It would be best if "popular" was removed from the first sentence and "renowned" removed from the second sentence, otherwise citations are needed to allow verification that they are popular or renowned. Done

• Lead -

• This is required to comply with WP:Lead and it should provide both an introduction to the topic and summary of the main points, respecting relative emphasis.
• The first paragraph appears to give undue relevance to the "city of prime ministers" and the naming of the 13 prime ministers. This topic occupies almost half of the first paragraph and perhaps one-sixth of the lead, and the statement is repeated again in the body of the, without much expansion - I's not too convinced that one sixth of the article is devoted to this topic. OK you regard it as important, so mention in the the lead, but it needs to appear in summary form, not reproduced in full.
• The information given in the History, Geography and Culture sections appears to be mostly summarised in the Lead in the second and third paragraphs.
• Perhaps the "city of prime ministers" information could be taken out of the first paragraph and moved into an new paragraph, summarised a bit more "tightly" and a small summary of some of the names from the Culture section added to this new section?

At this point I'm putting the review On Hold so that these points can be addressed. Pyrotec (talk) 12:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

• A nuber of these "problems" remain unaddressed, so I'm closing this review. Pyrotec (talk) 20:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)