Talk:2024 ICC Cricket World Cup Challenge League Play-off

How completely new teams can qualify - [i.e., those currently outside the top 32]

The requirement for the following criterion is not clear to me:

The Member must have a minimum of eight unique teams playing a minimum of five 40+ over matches in a year over two previous years.

What exactly are the "eight unique teams" which the new country has to find? --DLMcN (talk) 17:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps it means that the country must demonstrate that it contains at least eight constituent teams playing domestic cricket inside it? - i.e., as provinces or clubs or whatever. Must those eight teams each have played five matches a year for the last two years? --DLMcN (talk) 18:55, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

@DLMcN: - thanks for taking time to re-read this - always good to have a new set of eyes reading something that might make sense to us long-term editors! I had to re-read the PDF source from the ICC several times myself to make sure it made sense too. I read/understand it as teams outside the top 32 must have their own domestic competition (with matches being at least 40 overs per-side), with said tournament having at least eight teams. For example, a round-robin format inside the time limit would be enough. Does that help? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:19, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, thanks ... Maybe we should therefore say "eight domestic teams".

There is an actively increasing interest in the game in Spain [where I live] - helped by immigrants from India and Pakistan. There probably are more than eight clubs here. --DLMcN (talk) 20:42, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Similar story across other European teams (Germany, for example). And helped by Spain having not one but two international grounds! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Are there four additional teams or eight? Two places in this article say four,

These four "new" countries

in the introduction section along with

will join four others from outside the 32-team

in the TEAMS & QUALIFICATIONS section; and three places say 8,

the top Eight ranked in the ICC T20I Championship

in the introduction center, the number 8 listed in the qualification process table, and the number 12 listed as participants in the info box. Looking at https://www.firstpost.com/firstcricket/sports-news/explainer-with-2023-cricket-world-cup-qualifying-process-underway-heres-a-breakdown-of-iccs-new-look-league-structure-7172161.html Four Qualifying countries is all that I see listed. If there is another more recent credible source that lists 12 total, then let us correct and site that. Otherwise it looks like only 8: the bottom 4 from the Challenge League and the 4 additional that meet the requirements (ranked highest among T20I nations that didn't participate in the 2023 CWC qualifying and meet minimum threshold for cricket participation domestically). Fulner (talk) 18:16, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

It's 4+4, I have reverted the edits by AmanKhan1029 Moedk (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

First part of Qual 2027?

Would this tournament be part of the 2027 qualification process? It seems it should be - although the use of rankings as a main pathway to qualify technically means anyone is able to advance just by winning many games. 165.12.252.114 (talk) 06:19, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

You might be right, but until ICC announces the next cycle it's hard to tell. Moedk (talk) 07:09, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Still nothing official, but with 2023 Cricket World Cup done, I would say this is part of the 2027 Cricket World Cup cycle. Moedk (talk) 13:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Host country

What's the source on the UAE hosting? Not seen anything official yet but I'm fairly sure it's going to be held in Kuala Lumpur. FrankieGommer (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Qualifying Countries

Does anyone have a source that says that Saudi, Kuwait, Tanzania, and the Bahamas have qualified? Today we seem to have re-inserted these teams, sans any citation at all, and we've replaced Bahrain with the Bahamas? Unlesss someone can provide any source at all, we need to leave this blank. ThisIsPaulina (talk) 19:17, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

The Bahamas are currently ranked 70th. This doesn't pass the smell test, and I'm removing it again until we have a source. ThisIsPaulina (talk) 19:22, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Best I can think of is Bertus de Jong, he is usually well informed, and has the best infographic to boot. Moedk (talk) 05:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it seems likely that there was confusion with the names and their abbreviations - "BAH" was presumably interpreted as "Bahamas", but Bahrain is the much more likely candidate... [Is there not a way of contacting the ICC directly, for clarification of the whole picture?] --DLMcN (talk) 07:04, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I have included the reference to the Czarsports website. They professionally cover information about the associate cricket. Emerging cricket and individuals like Bertus and Peter della Penna are some other sources. Like you said "BAH" is referring to Bahamas here Cric editor (talk) 18:41, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Late to the party here, but yes I assume someone mistook Bahamas for Bahrain. BAH is the code for Bahamas, BHR for Bahrain. NB: Czarsportz is not an ideal source... he is usually correct (although sometimes makes assumptions) but it is neither a primary source or a reputable mainstream news source. Great for alerting us to things that we may not have seen, but always best to then hunt for the original sources that he got the info from if possible. Bs1jac (talk) 12:17, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Renaming?

Since the tournament takes place in 2024, isn't time to rename it "2024 ICC Cricket World Cup Challenge Play-off"? Moedk (talk) 12:29, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

+1, it should be changed as you said Cric editor (talk) 14:43, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Fixtures

Fixtures were added according to Cricclubs, but I notice that the fixtures have been removed from the source. Probably just an admin thing at Cricclubs, but if they may change. Bs1jac (talk) 10:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Confirmed from sources such as Emerging Cricket podcast, Royal Gazette Bermuda. Groups stage fixtures are currently correct as shown here. However it is then a Super Six, not semi-finals as originally shown via cricclubs. Waiting for Cricclubs to reload the schedule. Bs1jac (talk) 12:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Fixture 23 February 2024

I know the scorecards at both ICC and CricInfo atm says that Tanzania v Vanuatu is played at Selangor Turf Club and Bahrain v Malaysia is played at Bayuemas Oval, but looking at the livestreams, I'm 100 % confident, the two venues are swapped. Moedk (talk) 03:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

CricClubs agree, they are used for on screen display of the livescore, they have Tanzania v Vanuatu at Bayumeas Oval, and Bahrain v Malaysia at Selangor Turf Club. Moedk (talk) 06:21, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

In this tweet from Vanuatu's CEO Tim Cutler, with a photo of the Tournament Handbook, the right venues is shown i.e. Tanzania v Vanuatu was played at Bayuemas Oval, and Bahrain v Malaysia was played at Selangor Turf Club. Moedk (talk) 18:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@Moedk I have raised this with Cricinfo. Difficult for wiki to show something different to the source card, as someone will inevitably change the venues to match Cricinfo. Bs1jac (talk) 07:43, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Cricinfo advise me that this has been fixed. Bs1jac (talk) 10:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's why I didn't edit it right away, even if CricClubs showed the right venue. But tried get an extra source.

Can confirm CricInfo is fixed. Moedk (talk) 13:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Criteria for deciding position in the Tables?

Do we know how the Table-positions get decided when teams are equal on points? Does it depend on run-rate? - or will the head-to-head result take priority? --DLMcN (talk) 10:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

I did a Bing-search, and it indicated that it was determined by the Head-to-head encounter ... This could certainly be significant here, because it means that Bermuda will now definitely qualify for the Super-Six. [Saudi Arabia qualify only if Bermuda beat Kuwait]. --DLMcN (talk) 11:55, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

If Vanuatu beat Malaysia, and Tanzania lose to Bahrain - then the bottom three teams will be equal on points, with the "Head-to-head" results "going round in a circle" and therefore showing no clear ranking - so it will be decided on run-rate. It would be impossible for both Vanuatu and Malaysia [through playing each other] to both increase their run-rate to jump above Tanzania. --DLMcN (talk) 16:54, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Yup, they just mention on live stream, it is first Head-to-head and then NRR. Moedk (talk) 06:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Cric Editor > Do you have a source which says run-rate takes priority over Head-to-head? If not, then surely Vanuatu go into the Super Six, not Malaysia --DLMcN (talk) 08:24, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@DLMcN and Moedk: It is H2H first. It is in the tournament regs. If correct, that means Vanuatu go through and not Malaysia. If Bermuda lose to Kuwait it also means Bermuda go through instead of Saudi Arabia. Bs1jac (talk) 08:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Although worth noting that some of the people on comms are not actually 100% sure themselves now! Tournament regulations (seen them) definitely say its H2H as the first tie breaker. Cricinfo of course doesn't factor this into its tables. No one seems certain. Bs1jac (talk) 09:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

So if it's the H2H prioritised first, will be carrying their points to the next stage or not? Cric editor (talk) 09:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I assume so (results against other teams who progressed). All very confusing right now, but those at the ground for Emerging Cricket and Cricbuzz confirm that it is H2H according to the regs (unless something has changed or the wording is misleading) Bs1jac (talk) 09:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

As per ICC news (https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/four-challenge-league-spots-to-be-claimed-via-malaysia-play-off-on-road-to-2027) it states that top three of each group will carry forward the points against the teams progressing from the same group Kumarpramit (talk) 09:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

https://www.icc-cricket.com/tournaments/cwc-challenge-league-playoff/standings

ICC official website shows as per NRR and not H2H. Kumarpramit (talk) 09:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

ICC has different kind of statements about this qualification in different documents. It can only be confirmed once fixtures are released Cric editor (talk) 09:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes but that is auto generated by NRR and does not apply tournament specific tiebreakers. Commentary team, Cricbuzz, at least one captain and CEO of the teams have said tournament regs state H2H. So we will have to assume that is the case until we see fixtures for the Super Six Bs1jac (talk) 09:58, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Vanuatu have announced that they are through. Bs1jac (talk) 11:03, 26 February 2024 (UTC)