Talk:1902 VFL grand final

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Latest comment: 1 year ago by Robertsky in topic Requested move 25 December 2022

Requested move 25 December 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. Evidence and points presented show inconsistency between using 'Grand Final' and 'grand final' in sources, therefore by WP:NCCAPS, MOS:CAPS, the articles should be at the lowercase titles. This closure is for the list of articles as at Special:Permalink/1129444974. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 12:45, 8 January 2023 (UTC)Reply


– Case norm; these are commonly lowercase in sources (books), so per WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS, we should use lowercase. I've listed selected years, but the discussion applies to all years, and assuming we get clear consensus we'll get a bot to move the lot, the complete list of which is given at User:Dicklyon/VFL Grand Final. Dicklyon (talk) 07:03, 25 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. echidnaLives - talk - edits 06:11, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Relisting comment: Relisting due to no participation echidnaLives - talk - edits 06:11, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Note: WikiProject Australia has been notified of this discussion. echidnaLives - talk - edits 06:12, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Does "all years" mean the 2022 AFL Grand Final as well? And the 2022 SANFL Grand Final? And the 2022 NRL Grand Final? StAnselm (talk) 06:31, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Based on the list they've given it doesn't appear so, but it really should. I'm not opposed to this move but someone would have to look and see if the literature refers to all of them the same way. OliveYouBean (talk) 07:14, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
The list linked in the proposal has all 91 years for this VFL event. AFL, SANFL, NRL, etc., will follow. Dicklyon (talk) 10:20, 8 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

My read of sources is that it's inconsistent: a specific grand final often takes upper case like a proper noun, and often takes lower case like a common noun. Refs: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ron-barassis-greatest-gamble/news-story/3bfdea2ade1d5ad0ea91ab1cb4127181 https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/frozen-in-time-alex-jesaulenko-mark-the-enduring-image-of-amazing-1970-grand-final/news-story/27559af4c26288f709314cf0e8c35e26 https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/56068/harmes-famous-intercept I wouldn't say there's a strong case either way, but note that capitalisation of the final is common across many sports (e.g 2022 FA Cup Final, 2022 Stanley Cup Finals) so would lean towards not moving. Aspirex (talk) 22:13, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

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