Talk:+ (album)

Move? 2011

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:10, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

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+ (Ed Sheeran album) → + (album) –

• unnecessary disambiguation - no other albums with this name 212.159.45.2 (talk) 18:37, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
• OK, normally, but the article name needs more substance than merely a plus sign. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:32, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
• Support. Superfluous disambiguation. Jenks24 (talk) 14:18, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

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Title

Maybe move the page to Plus but say in the artical that it is styled as + thoughts please. Cause in reality, the album title is actually plus, but it's just styled the plus sign. --92.30.169.244 (talk) 22:11, 28 October 2011 (UTC) cool — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.166.47.148 (talk) 23:32, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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The article says - At the start of 2010, Sheeran was having what he described as a "rough time" ( trust fund bank transfers not coming through ) IS that accurate? It seems like a gossipy thing to say, and not accruate. Kiwipatricia (talk) 02:09, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: pages moved. Andrewa (talk) 18:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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• + (album) → Plus (Ed Sheeran album)
• Plus (album) → Plus (Cannonball Adderley Quintet album)

– Per the article itself, and a quick search on a search engine, the name of the "+" album is pronounced "plus". The fact that the article is titled "+ (album)" can be confusing for a considerable amount of reasons: (See below.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:49, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

1. Not all languages pronounce the symbol "+" as "plus". (Yes, this is the English Wikipedia, but titles are usually only easily pronounced by others fluent in non-English languages when the word is spelled out in letters.)
2. The existence of the article Cross (Justice album) which, per itself, is stylized as "†". (And, to add confusion, + album used to redirect there until I changed that a few minutes ago. In addition, + (Justice album) is currently a redirect to Cross (Justice album).)
3. As of this moment, + is a redirect to Plus and minus signs#Plus sign, and it seems like the best target. At the present time, there is no hatnote in that section to refer the reader to either + (album) or the disambiguation page Plus.

Also, added to this move request is a request to move Plus (album) to Plus (Cannonball Adderley Quintet album); I have requested this as well for the following reason: if the main proposed move request occurs, the title Plus (album) should become a redirect to Plus#Music as an {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}, and the article that is currently at that title is blocking that change. Steel1943 (talk) 21:45, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• Support all - considerable improvements for the general reader, and per MOS. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
• Support per nom. MOS:TM for the first one, WP:PRECISION for both. -- 70.51.201.202 (talk) 05:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 3

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to + (Ed Sheeran album), per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:32, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

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Plus (Ed Sheeran album) → + (album) – x wasn't moved, but this was - inconsistency. There's a better chance of someone thinking a plus sign is (in this case) pronounced "plus", than thinking a letter x (and it is a letter x, not a multiplication sign) is pronounced "multiply". Also, Maroon 5's latest album V is pronounced "five" - I'm guessing that someone who's not familiar with the album would think, without reading the article, that it was pronounced as the letter "v", so if that album can stay at "V", surely this can stay at "+". Unreal7 (talk) 08:38, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support a move to + (Ed Sheeran album), I don't consider the stylisation sufficiently disambiguates from "plus" (re: Plus (Cannonball Adderley Quintet album)) or "cross" (re: Cross (Justice album)). The longer title will also give consistency within Category:Ed Sheeran albums. "+ (Ed Sheeran album)" best meets the requirements of WP:UCRN as it both fits in with the format of "X" and carries the meaning "plus".

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album//id448214084

http://www.woolworths.co.uk/ed-sheeran-cd/1217290370.prd?aff=google&gclid=Cj0KEQjw_IKiBRD7rPqut_OZ4qgBEiQASm4GAhalX4LSZv85DbvkKtjIdCFGTeS-GwPYOTveCmZgSwoaAhVQ8P8HAQ&affsrc=acquisition&cm_mmc=google-_-GS_electricals-_-Electricals+-+Catch+All+-+Google+Shopping-_-_IVYGqT07_53624799027

http://www.grooves-inc.co.uk/sheeran-warner-music-international-cd-album-pZZa1-1897939253.html?language=en&currency=GBP&gclid=Cj0KEQjw_IKiBRD7rPqut_OZ4qgBEiQASm4GAgThab1JGba5ovgxsPK_z4wwFzr7kWbigADiM4f_UcQaAheJ8P8HAQ

http://www.base.com/buy/product/ed-sheeran-plus-music-cd/dgc-5249864652.htm?gclid=Cj0KEQjw_IKiBRD7rPqut_OZ4qgBEiQASm4GApe8BDUQiyyzKWK4iwxM0EkMmlGEl4FtZYlci8PDx-waAhfW8P8HAQ

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Gregkaye ✍♪ 12:15, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose per the previous move discussion. Leaving the title as "+" causes too much confusion with other existing titles currently on Wikipedia. In addition, the symbol "+" is easily recognizable as the word "Plus", unlike the symbol "x" as "multiply" (see X (Ed Sheeran album) for details). Steel1943 (talk) 12:47, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

• In addition, trying to look up the character "+" poses a technical issue on the majority of search engines, including the search bar used in Wikipedia. Most search engines recognize the "+" symbol as some sort of search function request instead of a character. In fact, trying to look up "Ed Sheeran + album" on most search engines results in results only for X (Ed Sheeran album), most likely because "x" is considered a letter instead of some sort of search function symbol. So, it would be best to leave the article title where it is so that it actually can be located, bypassing any technical titling restrictions caused by most search engines. Steel1943 (talk) 13:41, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support. Looking through the sources provided in the article, it appears they all use "+" as the title of the album. Which is not surprising since it is in fact the name. The current one is made up. -- Calidum 13:23, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

-- Calidum is that support to + (album) or to + (Ed Sheeran album) or both? Gregkaye ✍♪ 16:10, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Either of those proposals is acceptable to me. -- Calidum 00:15, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose per move discussion just finished, there are other albums called Plus (Cannonball Adderley Quintet album)) or "cross" (re: Cross (Justice album). User:Gregkaye's alternative + (Ed Sheeran album) is also acceptable. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:07, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose MOS:TM -- use of an ambiguous symbol in place of an English word ("+" has a variety of meanings) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:28, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

• Nowhere in MOS:TM says that, and MOS:TM says "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words". The symbol "+" is a special character, so does "&", "!", ",", ".", "@", etc., and are used in several article titles, there is no exception in this album. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 05:03, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

• It was my additional justification in addition to MOS:TM; and it does fall under "simply substitute for English words" -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 13:56, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

• MOSTM doesn't apply to non-trademarked titles, and I have informed you several times about this. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 23:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support + (Ed Sheeran album). © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 05:03, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support + (Ed Sheeran album). I agree that + alone would not be enough to adequately distinguish the album from other similarly titled ones. And while consistency is always going to vary, I think when it comes to "Ed Sheeran albums named after mathematical symbols" it would at least be good to get a similar style.--Yaksar (let's chat) 17:06, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support, barring evidence that some substantial number of sources refer to this subject as "Plus". Avoiding special characters is good in general, but we can't just make up our own titles.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:16, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 10 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 21:44, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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+ (Ed Sheeran album) → + (album) – Only album with this name. ⓋᎯ☧ǿᖇǥ@ℤε💬 19:02, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 21:09, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

• With several previous RMs, any new move proposal will likely be controversial. There is also Plus (Cannonball Adderley Quintet album), for example. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 21:09, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Paradoctor (talk) 21:39, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support. If we can't change the title itself, we can at least shorten the disambiguator. I would also change the title to Plus, following AllMusic. IMO, + is an impractical title to use in running text, even worse than rock dots. Colin Gerhard (talk) 07:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support, no other album with the same title. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 13:30, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
• ! Randy Kryn (talk) 15:45, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Is that an aye or a nay? Paradoctor (talk) 16:08, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

(Support), no other album with the name-symbol, so it seems fine. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:20, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose multiple Plus (album)s exist. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:44, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

  Clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, by pageviews. Paradoctor (talk) 18:19, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

  How do you reconcile that view with WP:SMALLDETAILS? 207.161.86.162 (talk) 04:51, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Paradoctor, please read WP:PRIMARYTOPIC again, anything with (album) cannot be a primary topic, the primary topic for + is Plus. And IP 207.161.86.162 well... In ictu oculi (talk) 09:15, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support per WP:ALBUMDAB and WP:SMALLDETAILS. 207.161.86.162 (talk) 04:51, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support, "Plus" and "+" are different IMHO, as proven by the existence of two different disambiguation pages: Plus and + (disambiguation). For now, there's no other album articles titled "+", so Ed's album deserves the page. Bluesatellite (talk) 05:20, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

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