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ethnicities edit
Badagnani asks "Which ethnic groups are represented by the three female figures?" I believe, left to right, Laotian, Khmer and Vietnamese, based on ethnic costumes. I have no verification for this. Chris 02:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
This image is free edit
@Alexis Jazz:, this image is free according to "PD-Vietnam", "PD-Cambodia", and "PD-Laos" (where they were published), how do I transfer this image to the Wikimedia Commons and restore the older higher resolution version? --Donald Trung (talk) 13:59, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- Donald Trung, is it also PD-US? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:06, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Alexis Jazz:, I don't receive pings for whatever reason. Regarding the Vietnamese aspect "Upload only photographs of currencies which were designed before 1972. - Photographs of currencies used in Vietnam can only be uploaded to Commons if the copyright on the design has expired, because terms of use of Vietnam forbids the use of photographs of copyrighted currencies. The copyright term in Vietnam for currencies is the year of designed + 50 years + the end of the calendar year. See COM:CRT/Vietnam#Currency for more information. Photographs of other currencies will be deleted if unfree." Is used on a template here, according to the Vietnamese copyright page the URAA restoration date is 23 December 1998, to quote "A work is usually protected in the US if it is a type of work copyrightable in the US, published after 1926 and protected in the country of origin on the URAA date". Also "We may assume the 50-year term applied on the URAA date, so works published before 23 December 1948 where the author remains unknown, and works by authors who died before 23 December 1948, are in the public domain in the United States." (Source). In the USA such works usually require renewal or a copyright mark before the 1970's but I don't think that that applies here. From what I can tell the URAA didn't extend the US copyright beyond the copyright in the host country, am I correct? --Donald Trung (talk) 14:32, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- Donald Trung, no, it actually can extend the copyright beyond the copyright in the source country. But if the copyright holder is a government it doesn't apply I think. Maybe you should ask Clindberg to be sure. For undeletion you're looking for WP:REFUND. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 16:11, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Alexis Jazz:, I had an emoji in my signature a few years ago so I can't get a "WP:REFUND", can images be exported to the Wikimedia Commons and then be undeleted there? --Donald Trung (talk) 18:21, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- Fastily, what do you think? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 03:10, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- The text at c:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Vietnam#Currency makes no mention of the alleged 1972 cutoff date claimed at c:Category:Banknotes of Vietnam (in fact, it suggests no Vietnamese currencies are acceptable on Commons). I haven't personally verified either claim though, so I couldn't tell you which is correct (or whether there's an exception for older banknotes). Unless someone produces a reliable source with concrete evidence backing the 1972 claim, this file should not be moved to Commons. Also, Donald Trung is banned from editing the
Wikipedianamespace, hence their inability to post to REFUND. -FASTILY 03:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC)- "COM:CURRENCY" is essentially written to be about modern (contemporary) currencies only, it needs to be updated to be a guide about when images are and aren't in the public domain. Also, regarding Vietnam, where this was published, works made by the unrecognised government were seen as "unprotected works" when the URAA was signed (note "PD-South VietnamGov"). --Donald Trung (talk) 06:59, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- I see you're the author of
{{PD-South VietnamGov}}. You don't indicate where you found this information or cite any external sources in the text of the template. Could you please do that and/or clarify here? Thanks, FASTILY 08:12, 25 January 2022 (UTC)- There were debates about it both at the Copyright Village pump and the Vietnamese-language Wikisource about this. It's based on the Vietnamese copyright law that was in place in 1996. At the time a number of Commonswiki admins like users "Ankry" and "King of Hearts" thought that this was the case, after the issue was brought up again and the template was nominated for deletion and there was little evidence to see it as illegitimate. It wasn't until after the URAA was signed that a new Vietnamese copyright law was passed with more neutral language the protections weren't regarded as retroactive. --Donald Trung (talk) 08:30, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- I see you're the author of
- "COM:CURRENCY" is essentially written to be about modern (contemporary) currencies only, it needs to be updated to be a guide about when images are and aren't in the public domain. Also, regarding Vietnam, where this was published, works made by the unrecognised government were seen as "unprotected works" when the URAA was signed (note "PD-South VietnamGov"). --Donald Trung (talk) 06:59, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- The text at c:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Vietnam#Currency makes no mention of the alleged 1972 cutoff date claimed at c:Category:Banknotes of Vietnam (in fact, it suggests no Vietnamese currencies are acceptable on Commons). I haven't personally verified either claim though, so I couldn't tell you which is correct (or whether there's an exception for older banknotes). Unless someone produces a reliable source with concrete evidence backing the 1972 claim, this file should not be moved to Commons. Also, Donald Trung is banned from editing the
- Fastily, what do you think? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 03:10, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Alexis Jazz:, I had an emoji in my signature a few years ago so I can't get a "WP:REFUND", can images be exported to the Wikimedia Commons and then be undeleted there? --Donald Trung (talk) 18:21, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- Donald Trung, no, it actually can extend the copyright beyond the copyright in the source country. But if the copyright holder is a government it doesn't apply I think. Maybe you should ask Clindberg to be sure. For undeletion you're looking for WP:REFUND. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 16:11, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Alexis Jazz:, I don't receive pings for whatever reason. Regarding the Vietnamese aspect "Upload only photographs of currencies which were designed before 1972. - Photographs of currencies used in Vietnam can only be uploaded to Commons if the copyright on the design has expired, because terms of use of Vietnam forbids the use of photographs of copyrighted currencies. The copyright term in Vietnam for currencies is the year of designed + 50 years + the end of the calendar year. See COM:CRT/Vietnam#Currency for more information. Photographs of other currencies will be deleted if unfree." Is used on a template here, according to the Vietnamese copyright page the URAA restoration date is 23 December 1998, to quote "A work is usually protected in the US if it is a type of work copyrightable in the US, published after 1926 and protected in the country of origin on the URAA date". Also "We may assume the 50-year term applied on the URAA date, so works published before 23 December 1948 where the author remains unknown, and works by authors who died before 23 December 1948, are in the public domain in the United States." (Source). In the USA such works usually require renewal or a copyright mark before the 1970's but I don't think that that applies here. From what I can tell the URAA didn't extend the US copyright beyond the copyright in the host country, am I correct? --Donald Trung (talk) 14:32, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I believe "{{PD-US-no notice}}". "{{PD-anon-auto-1996}}" (Therefore, cinematographic works, photographic works, dramatic works, works of applied art and anonymous works that were published 50 years or more prior to January 1, 2010 are still in the public domain in Vietnam.), 2010 - 50 = 1960. --Donald Trung (talk) 14:35, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
