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Islamic Expansion to 700 AD

Any information about Islamic borders in the year 700 AD, especially related to the conquest of Afghanistan and Central Asia, would be appreciated! Thomas Lessman (talk) 15:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Tibet and India, late 700 and 800 AD

Current East-Hem depiction of Tibet/India borders in 700 AD.

Suggested corrections for Kamarupa in 7th-8th Centuries, AD

Current East-Hem depiction of Tibet/India borders in 800 AD.

Concerns have been raised over the Tibetan Empire borders depicted in the East-Hem maps for 700 and 800 AD. Specifically regarding whether Tibet ruled large sections of northern India, including Kamarupa, Bengal, and the Gangetic plains. There are unfortunately few sources covering relations between medieval Tibet and India. Bengal and Assam are also lacking reliable sources for that time period.

Some of my sources regarding Tibet's expansion into Bengal and India:

• 1. Google Book's "History of Tibet" makes several mentions of Nepal as a Tibetan vassal, and also says that India's Pala Empire under Dharmapala accepted Tibetan overlordship. (Page 54)
• 2. Google Book's Ancient India, (Page 632), describes Tibetan activities during the reigns of Songtsan Gampo and King Harsha of Kannauj. Also describes Tibetan subjucation of Kamarupa and defeat of Kannauj after Harsha.
• 3. Huhai.net has a [map of Asia in 750 AD] that shows Tibet ruling Kamarupa, Bengal, and Pala.
• 4. DK Atlas of World History, 2000 edition, shows Tibet's borders in 800 AD, with northern India (the entire length of the Ganges, almost to the Indus river) ruled by Tibet. It's on pg. 262.
• 5. Wikipedia's Songtsän Gampo article, in the 640's section, states that Tibet and Nepal invaded India in 647 or 648 AD, defeating Harsha's successor in 647 after the Indian King had attacked a Chinese envoy.
• 6. Wikipedia's, History of Tibet article mentions Tibetan military power extending to Bengal, in the section about Ralpacan (815-838 AD).
• 7. "Himalayan Region, 500–1000 A.D.". In Timeline of Art History. New York: The Metropolitan Museum of Art, 2000–. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/06/ssh/ht06ssh.htm (October 2001)

Tibet appears to have been rather active along their southern borders. We know Tibet subjugated Nanzhao twice (from 680-703, then from 750-794 AD). Nepal under the Licchavis was apparently subjugated also. This was about the same time as the collapse of the Pyu city-states in Burma, the end of the Varman Dynasty and the beginning of the Mlechchha dynasty in Kamarupa. It's possible Tibet also subjugated part of northern India. It may not have been an actual conquest; it could have been raids for plunder or marriage alliances.

(This is also being discussed on Talk:Kamarupa (History) and History of Tibet. I've posted this here to get more input. Any assistance is appreciated! I need to find out more information before I can correct the maps, if they are incorrect. Thomas Lessman (talk) 06:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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