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Canada

Canada didn't decome independent in the 1800s- it took over a hundred years (1867-1982). But how could that be shown here?

I agree The Canada Act was not passed until 1982 according to the Canada wiki. --SJ3000 (talk) 14:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed but not agreed; independence in foreign affairs and naerly all other matters was achieved/conferred in 1931. As of 1982 the only safeguard against the abuse-of-power potential in the offices of the first ministers were removed, with recourse to the Law Lords removed from the equation and the monarch reduced to a mostly ceremonial position, bereft of its remaining constitutional authority as still potent in the UK. Canadian manufactured-nationalism has trumped up the idea that we were at least unshackled from the humiliation of the colonial yoke inherent in the BNA act being an Act of British Parliament, but to me that was always a banal sell-job; the upshot if "patriation" is that Canadian politicians and the Canadian polity were severed from convention and traditiona; and free to make their own. And so we had the interregnum of April 1-4, 1983 in British Columbia, and the emergence of the quasi/non-democratic councils of first ministers (meeting at this very moment as if they were a constituted body, which they are not), the running rougshod over civil liberties in the course of the Oka Crisis and other similar events - which challenges to the Law Lords/Westminster and "British dignity" could have had at least powers of inquiry and moral authority as recoruse for Canadian who have been wronged by the appropriation of monarchical power by our "elected" officials; the sale of Crown Assets in tainted process, such as those implicit in the BC Legislature Raids evidence findings and in the Sponsorship Scandal and the like, could ahve sen the forced resignation of govenrments ratehr than the deal/stall/deny method of dealing with "maintaining stability". And the aborgation of parliamentary decency this last fall would have been impossible. But see it as ou like I 'll see it as I like; the opinions above are on POV, I have my own. But mine is less rooted in nationalist sentiment and more in realpolitik. And the fact is that it was 1931, not 1982, when functional indepednence was achieved; yes, not in 1867, but not in 1982 either. All that happened in 1982 was that the remaining constitutional guarantees against abuse of power by the otherwise-monarchical nature of the PM's (and Premiers') office(s) were removed. Trudeau was an aristocrat, and inherently an autocrat; his was not a democratic reform; it used populist politicking to create a "blank slate"; one which was immediatley rejected by the provicne it supposedly sought to placate, and which was immediately abused in teh spring of 1983 by Bill Bennett, and by other first ministers since, and increasingly so. Historical cliche is that we attained our independence "in everything but foreign affairs" in 1867, but being self-governing does not make a country (or else Nova Scotia got its 250 years ago...); and we still don't have either legal sovereignty, or fiscal either (one from the House of Windosor, the other from the US....). "once a colony, always a colony", as the saying goes...Skookum1 (talk) 03:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

first of all i do see that there is some detail for instance i know for a fact that Canada was not all independent in one single year that the last part was newfoundland and labrador and i looked at my grand fathers old randmacnally world atlas that was made in the 1940's during world war 2 it showed the world with 1938 boundaries and had a map of germany and showed that Austria was part of germany's territory and also showed the sudetenland as part of germany and chechoslovakia was all diffrent looking. and when i fliped to north america it showeed that canada as we know it today was not all politically united and that newfoundland was still owned by united kingdom directly not indirectly as a dominon as canada was. when i when to the gazateer at the end of the very thick world atlas it said that this territory was difinatly part of the UK not canda so i agree with the assesment of this part of canada not being independent with the rest of canada in 1867. but as for the rest of canada there needs to be more detail for instance how does the prince ruperts land aquisitions fit in and the slowly diminishing north west territories we should review the maps of the history of canada to make more asumptions on how this map should look.

I agree that canada did not become independent in the 1800's not in the least. it had self government but not independence. Independence as we know it today did not come atleast until the statue of Westminster in 1931 which organized the british empire into a new entitiy called the commonwealth of nations. from this point on no colony of the united kingdom under self rule was to be treated as a lesser partner to the united kingdom but instead a equal partner thus independent. as for the canada act of 1982 thats to be considered the final ratification of the statue of Westminster so from 1931 to 1982 canada was on there own and independent even though they themselves did not first accept it. i totally agree with User sj3000's notion that in the 1800's century there was no independence yet for canada so it should not be included in that color code at all 69.221.170.231 (talk) 13:23, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador

Panama, Colombia, Venezuela and Ecuador formed in 1819 the Republic of Colombia or, as is called in history books, Great Colombia. Like most of Central America, Panama independized from Spain in 1821, while Venezuela, what today is Colombia and Ecuador did between 1819 and 1821. But in the map you are showing the date of Panama independence as the date of the separation from this failed country, the Great Colombia. But, in the case of Venezuela, Ecuador and the actual Colombia, you are showing the date of the Independence from Spain. The picture is wrong and needs to be corrected: or you use the date of independence from Spain for all Countries, or use the date of secession from the Great Colombia entity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.227.103.38 (talk) 13:54, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

chile-argentina-bolivia-peru

northern chile was part of peru and northernwestern argentina and north chile were part of bolivia during this period. i believe the borders of uruguay and paraguay at this time are also off, this map also ignored the territory of saint pierre & miquelon.Troyster87 (talk) 23:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

north south boundary of USA and Canada is wrong

the america confrence of 1818 and 1819 between the USA, spain and the UK seems to be completely ignored the north and south boundrary is missing the detail of the red river territory this is what started the large boundary of the USA and canada and this boundary was finished in the 1840's with oregon territory. so showing oregon territory diffrent from the louisiana territyor is correct but red river lands were not louisianna purchace lands —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.212.6 (talk) 00:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

The IP is right - see this map. The red river basin (former Rupert's land) in MN/ND/SD should be light blue. Also, the Pacific Northwest right now is a non-date gray, although it should be the same color as Canada (light yellow) as the Oregon Territory was incorporated in 1846. > Minnecologies^Talk 13:38, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Mexico's independence date is wrong

Mexico's independence was in August 24, 1821 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.117.33.135 (talk) 20:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Map changes November 9, 2010

I've updated a newer version of the map, incorporating the following changes mostly identified from this talkpage:

• Saint Pierre and Miquelon is now represented by a black dot (being part of France and all)
• Delineated Rupert's Land, ceded from the British in 1818 per the Treaty of 1818
• Filled in the Pacific Northwest, corresponding to the cession of the Oregon Country from the British in 1846
• Updated the borders of Gran Colombia, per this map.
• Changed boundaries of what is now northern Chile (the Atacama Desert), at independence from Spain was split between Peru and Bolivia (derived from this map).
• Color scheme is now a straight inverse ROYGBIV.

I think I've addressed everything on this talkpage, any further requests/comments/etc. let me know on my talk page. > Minnecologies^Talk 17:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou so much for Listening to my comments about the red river terrotory and how thats not the same as louisianna territory. i really enjoyed that you included all of the Non-Independent nations. i know that there land mass are not as large as the black dots you used but personally i dont care thats not the point the point is its better to have then shown in some form rather then not at all so also great work on showing all current day colonies. also whats the deal with canada? why did someone take the canada act of 1982 seriusly? personly im fully satisfied with your map changes thank you. 76.244.151.164 (talk) 11:03, 19 January 2013 (UTC)